Better Resume: James Toney Vs Roy Jones Jr

[THE REED]

right, and I agree. although admittedly the loses to griffin are widely considered robberies, he had some emabrressing losses to Drake Thadzi and Dave Tiberi I think they were. I dont really count losses against fighters that much, but at the same time you cant just ignore it.

also, while I belittle Jones' win over Hopkins, he has some underrated wins, like Eric Harding, Richard Hall, and Jorge Fernando Castro.

not to mention malinga...

if u go back to 98 and look at the LHW top 10... roy fought 7-8 of them

[Steak]

Roys resume is verry underrated.. if your gonna include gys like reggie and mcCallum in Toney's resume then why not Roys? he pitched shutouts against both guys, and yes McCallm was past it but Reggie was a 175 champ at the time Roy beat him...

There is no comparison between the McCallum that Toney fought and the one that Roy fought. big difference there.

the Reggie Johnson that Roy fought was actually still a very good fighter...I remember reading that he gave hell and dropped Antonio Tarver a year or so after Roy beat him...not to mention that he was an alphabet champ at the time.
but overall, I think its safe to say that Reggie was a better fighter when Toney fought him.

[Steak]

roy had 22 pro fights when he fought bhop... did he have a more extensive am. career? yes...

but am. and pro are two different beasts... roy had one more pro fight than bhpo.. and roy got a lot better after the bernard fight just as bernard did

Ive also heard that Roy fought most of the fight with a broken hand, which is notable.

but still, overall the Hopkins that Roy fought wasnt all that great. it took him quite a few more years before he started entering his prime.

[RAESAAD]

Maybe I'm misinterpeting this whole thing but I thought this was about who has the more experience based on their resume.....meaning number of fights, quality of opposition, at what weight class and so on. Clearly Toney has put more rounds in the boxing ring with top fighters at a wider range of weight classes than Roy....hence he has the better,longer, more diverse resume. Basically what would Roys record be if he fought all of Toneys opponents at those weights? Certainly not 71-6 if you ask me.

[THE REED]

just for reference

Ring Rankings at Light Heavyweight in 1998 before he unified all 3 belts.

1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Dariusz Michalczewski
3. Reggie Johnson
4. Graciano Rocchigiani
5. Lou Del Valle
6. Eric Harding
7. Montell Griffin
8. Michael Nunn
9. Antonio Tarver
10. David Telesco


Ring Rankings at Light Heavyweight in 2003 his last year as Champion.

Roy Jones Jr., Champion

1. Antonio Tarver
2. Julio Cesar Gonzalez
3. Dariusz Michalczewski
4. Glen Johnson
5. Eric Harding
6. Clinton Woods
7. Silvio Branco
8. Montell Griffin
9. Richard Hall
10. Mehdi Sahnoune


people always talk about tomato cans... but he did fight most of the 10 in his division... this probably has nothing to do with this thread though i just wanted to list it

[deemo]

i voted for roy but now that i see the list i think toneys is a little better, but saying that i still think jones will be remembered more favorably

[THE REED]

Ive also heard that Roy fought most of the fight with a broken hand, which is notable.

but still, overall the Hopkins that Roy fought wasnt all that great. it took him quite a few more years before he started entering his prime.

Ltes also take note, that after that fight, Bernard didnt lose a fight.. for about 12 years... he couldnt of been THAT bad... Roy also progessed immensly after that fight as well...

[The Gunner]

Roys resume is verry underrated.. if your gonna include gys like reggie and mcCallum in Toney's resume then why not Roys? he pitched shutouts against both guys, and yes McCallm was past it but Reggie was a 175 champ at the time Roy beat him...


Roy - Bhop,Toney,Griffin,Hill,Reggie,McCallum,Ruiz,Tarve r(close)
Toney - Nunn (come from behind KO),Reggie(close fight),McCallum(close fight),Jirov(close),Holyfeild,Ruiz,Rahman, Arguably Peters...


Its a close call, but Roy dominated all his fights in his prime, including Toney himself...

Title or not Reggie wasn't the same fighter as before, 175 was a very weak division. McCallum was done. Thats why neither were added.

Griffin had a win over Roy too thats why i did not add him. Regardless of it being a DQ win The fight was in the balance when it was stopped so it is a legit loss. I have to say the second fight was impressive from Roy though so for arguments sake we could add Griffin to Roys wins as a good one.

[The Gunner]

not to mention malinga...

if u go back to 98 and look at the LHW top 10... roy fought 7-8 of them

Malinga was a poor champion bud, nowhere near a top level fighter. His signature win was over a shot to bits Nigel Benn who had clearly beat him years before that.

[THE REED]

He was never blown out though, never stopped... im not touting Malinga as a "great" fighter... but he was a very good fighter, and could hold his own in the ring.... and roy completely smashed him.