Bernard Hopkins is Overrated....

[MANGLER]

Bhop is the man. No denyin him his legendary status.

[Steak]

to be fair, I have seen a person or two rate him a top 10 all time p4p fighter.

and a few people think that hes the best middleweight of all time, although thats actually debatable even if I dont agree with it.

[ИATAS]

so far in the polls 90% of the voters disagree with the thread starter:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237172

[winac]

you not gonna reply to me?

[Proposition Joe]

So far all I have seen is the thread starter trying to play devils advocate just for the sake of argument. Let's look at some big names for each fighter (and obviously these are fighters I feel are noteworthy nothing is in stone just my opinion). For RJJ you have Calzaghe(L), Old Felix Trinidad(W), Tarver(2L)(1W), James Toney(W), and of course B-Hop(W). now lets get to B-Hop, Pavlik(W),Winky(W),Tarver(W), Oscar(W), much younger Trinidad(W), Roy(L). Now please tell me besides these names who was on Roy's list that was so much better then the opponents B-Hop faced during his reign at the top. I like Roy so if you think I am biased I'm not, just trying to get a guy his respect I feel he deserves.

[Dynamite Kid]

bernard at his best physically
couldnt handle roy jones at his best physically

Who could

Is a prime Jones the measuring stick for how good Hopkins is/was?

Dont you think that is being a bit harsh?

[Dynamite Kid]

Also to Judge Hopkins from the Jones fight is unfair, because Hopkins changed his style as a fighter after the Mercado fights.

[Proposition Joe]

I too am wondering when you will reply to Winac as well.

[circleinsidebox]

In response to thread starter

You said you only deal in Ws and Ls, not taking in to account whether a fighter was in their prime or any other circumstances.

So going on your logic:

you said Roy adjusted to southpaws and that makes him a legend but bernard didn't adjust to speed/reflex fighters so therefore he is only great.

Well if I remember correctly Roy got knocked and beaten by Tarver ( A southpaw) and as you only count wins and losses, how is it that you claim roy adapted to Southpaws.

Also a you say a loss is a loss in repsonse to the Calzaghe and Taylor fights, then do yu count Roy Jones losing to Montell Griffin

Thanks

roy beat tarver in the 1st fight.....clearly
and roy had a DQ loss against griffin who was already done....
come on people, lets not get crazy....
besides im not judging off of ONE fight or TWO....
roy beat both of those guys u mentioned....

bernard NEVER beat his greatest stylistical nightmares

and im not saying benard isn't great he just isn't
of legendary material
statistical greatness does not equal LEGENDARY

[winac]

Tarver presented Roy a lot of problems in the first fight especially the first 4 rounds but he did't stick to that plan. Roy however pulled it out the bag and showed his heart to win ( All credit to Roy, it was one of his great performances) But in the rematches Tarver executed this game plan, kept roy against the ropes and came away with a knockout in one fight and a clear decision in the other. I would say that Tarver adapted to Roy and Roy failed to adapt Tarver in the second and third fights......