A Win over Margarito,Cotto,Mosely, & Clottey are Better Than A MAYWEATHER WIN @ WW???

[deevel79]

So basically what you are saying, It is not that he was a great Welterweight Champion...

It is that he was Pound 4 Pound # 1 in the world, and that supersede being the Welterweight Champion...?


So Should a fight for Floyd's P4P belt be higher priority than a fight for his welterweight belt?

Meaning Should he Fight Higher rank Fighters on the p4p list, rather than fighters on the Welterweight list.

Since His P4P Belt is more important then his WW belt..?

So basically what you are saying, It is not that he was a great Welterweight Champion...

No. His wins at WW were mediocre at best. Baldo = Bum Journeyman with a belt. Zab = Just lost to a bum journeyman with a belt (still a decent win for Floyd though). Hatton = Probably Floyd's best win at WW, although Hatton wasnt a proven WW champ. Struggled his first time at ww with a c level fighter in a fight where many though Hatton lost, then he went running back down to LWW. Although it was a good win, it would've meant much more had it happened at 140, where Hatton is a proven undefeated champ.

It is that he was Pound 4 Pound # 1 in the world, and that supersede being the Welterweight Champion...?

Being pfp#1 in the world supercedes any one division title that a fighter may have.


So Should a fight for Floyd's P4P belt be higher priority than a fight for his welterweight belt?

It depends. If Floyd's gonna be fighting WW's, then he should fight the best. If another pfp ranked fighter is within's Floyd's reach, then why not go for that. Pac is currently #1, and Calzaghe #2. What fight makes more sense? Obviously not a fight with Joe.

Meaning Should he Fight Higher rank Fighters on the p4p list, rather than fighters on the Welterweight list.
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Since His P4P Belt is more important then his WW belt

[Horus]

So basically what you are saying, It is not that he was a great Welterweight Champion...

No. His wins at WW were mediocre at best. Baldo = Bum Journeyman with a belt. Zab = Just lost to a bum journeyman with a belt (still a decent win for Floyd though). Hatton = Probably Floyd's best win at WW, although Hatton wasnt a proven WW champ. Struggled his first time at ww with a c level fighter in a fight where many though Hatton lost, then he went running back down to LWW. Although it was a good win, it would've meant much more had it happened at 140, where Hatton is a proven undefeated champ.

It is that he was Pound 4 Pound # 1 in the world, and that supersede being the Welterweight Champion...?

Being pfp#1 in the world supercedes any one division title that a fighter may have.


So Should a fight for Floyd's P4P belt be higher priority than a fight for his welterweight belt?

It depends. If Floyd's gonna be fighting WW's, then he should fight the best. If another pfp ranked fighter is within's Floyd's reach, then why not go for that. Pac is currently #1, and Calzaghe #2. What fight makes more sense? Obviously not a fight with Joe.

Meaning Should he Fight Higher rank Fighters on the p4p list, rather than fighters on the Welterweight list.
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Since His P4P Belt is more important then his WW belt

How would you grade Mayweather run at Welterweight?
A+ = Greatest ever.
A = 2nd Greatest ever
A-= Greatest of His era
B+= Great (ring champion) and he was undisputed
B= He Did what he had to do to be recognize champ of the ww ( ring belt)
B-= He was the man, but he could have done more.
C+= He beat the man, and that's it.
C= Average
C-= Good
D+= Paper Champ
D= Below Average
D-=Worst than Paper Champ
F= Worst Champion he could possibly be.

[deevel79]

How would you grade Mayweather run at Welterweight?
A+ = Greatest ever.
A = 2nd Greatest ever
A-= Greatest of His era
B+= Great (ring champion) and he was undisputed
B= He Did what he had to do to be recognize champ of the ww ( ring belt)
B-= He was the man, but he could have done more.
C+= He beat the man, and that's it.
C= Paper Champ
C-= Average
D+= Below Average
D= Bull****, should of never been champion
D-=Worst than Paper Champ
F= Worst Champion he could possibly be.

Dont know why keep changing the topic, but to answer your question, i'll say he took advantage of an easy opportunity (Fighting Baldomir) to become the recognized WW champ. Had Zab not slacked off like the ass he is and lost to Baldomir, Floyd would've been given much more credit for beating him (Zab) for the lineal title. Beating Baldomir wasnt a great win, given the caliber of the opponent that Baldomir was.

[Horus]

Dont know why keep changing the topic, but to answer your question, i'll say he took advantage of an easy opportunity (Fighting Baldomir) to become the recognized WW champ. Had Zab not slacked off like the ass he is and lost to Baldomir, Floyd would've been given much more credit for beating him (Zab) for the lineal title. Beating Baldomir wasnt a great win, given the caliber of the opponent that Baldomir was.

I am not changing the topic...But expanding on the topic.
If you had to give Floyd a grade...what would it be?

[Pullcounter]

a win against floyd at 147 is a little better than beating cotto, money marg and mosley.

[deevel79]

I am not changing the topic...But expanding on the topic.
If you had to give Floyd a grade...what would it be?

B-

Cotto, Margarito, Shane, Williams and Clotty were better opponents @ WW than Sharmbe, Zab, Baldomir, and Hatton.

[Ryn0]

What does a win over a fighter who wasnt impressive at Welterweight Means?

All that is irrelevant Horus, Ricky had ONE fight at Welter he was a champion and looked bad winning a belt over Collazo who was dominated against Mosely a few fights later.

He did not fight an established Welterweight, Judah and Baldomir are good wins but Judah has since been proved to be a gatekeeper with a win over Cory Spinks being his biggest claim to fame. Baldomir has never been an elite, A class fighter. If Margarito beat Floyd it would be his biggest win because Floyd was not only the Welterweight champion but the P4P king and the P4P title means more than an Alphabet title, surely you agree.

If Floyd beat Margarito, Cotto or Williams they would be his biggest wins to date. Not it terms of actually PPV numbers but in terms of toughness they would be his toughest opponents because they are established Welters and thats why people want Floyd to fight any of them. They want to see Floyd really tested against fighter who they deem can test him if Floyd wins then he proved his point.

[deevel79]

All that is irrelevant Horus, Ricky had ONE fight at Welter he was a champion and looked bad winning a belt over Collazo who was dominated against Mosely a few fights later.

He did not fight an established Welterweight, Judah and Baldomir are good wins but Judah has since been proved to be a gatekeeper with a win over Cory Spinks being his biggest claim to fame. Baldomir has never been an elite, A class fighter. If Margarito beat Floyd it would be his biggest win because Floyd was not only the Welterweight champion but the P4P king and the P4P title means more than an Alphabet title, surely you agree.

If Floyd beat Margarito, Cotto or Williams they would be his biggest wins to date. Not it terms of actually PPV numbers but in terms of toughness they would be his toughest opponents because they are established Welters and thats why people want Floyd to fight any of them. They want to see Floyd really tested against fighter who they deem can test him if Floyd wins then he proved his point.

Good Post!....

[ANDROID_DOES]

According to the logic.

• a win over Williams should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
• a win over Cotto should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
• a win over Margarito should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
• a win over Mosely should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.
• a win over Clottey should be more impressive than a win over Floyd.

all those wins would be very impressive. The all posses their own challenges.
Clottey would be the least impressive win.

So why would a win over floyd would be better than a Win over Margarito at WW. If Margarito resume is better than Floyds and Floyd didnt fight nobody?

Who said a win over floyd is better? Remember opinions are opinions. And you should now in all of sports when a team is undefeated, the speculation of when and who will beat this is alot bigger and an undefeated team/fighter facing a tough opponent will always be something people will watch, therefor making the event bigger.

"And I don't think Mayweather can make 135 anymore without affecting himself, he can definitely fight at 140 though."

Floyd walks around at 150, and so you cant say he cant fight at Jr.Lightweight, Lightweight, and Junior Welterweight.....

If Margarito, Cotto, Williams, Clottey, and Hatton can walk around at 20-40 pounds above there fighting weight and still fight at their divisions...I think Floyd can do the same....

No you're wrong have you ever truly worked out? It is extremely hard to lose weight when you have no water weight or body fat. Floyd is just about as all muscle as you can get. It's pretty ****** to think he can make 130, 135, and maybe even 140. He would have to cut muscle. The body doesn't respond good to that, plus why would he want to lose all the work he put into his body?????? 140 would be pushing it, he can hinder his performance by cutting muscle to make a lower weight. Margarito and cotto are taller guys than floyd so naturally they are going to weigh more than him, and they don't have the built floyd does.

[Horus]

All that is irrelevant Horus, Ricky had ONE fight at Welter he was a champion and looked bad winning a belt over Collazo who was dominated against Mosely a few fights later.

He did not fight an established Welterweight, Judah and Baldomir are good wins but Judah has since been proved to be a gatekeeper with a win over Cory Spinks being his biggest claim to fame. Baldomir has never been an elite, A class fighter. If Margarito beat Floyd it would be his biggest win because Floyd was not only the Welterweight champion but the P4P king and the P4P title means more than an Alphabet title, surely you agree.

If Floyd beat Margarito, Cotto or Williams they would be his biggest wins to date. Not it terms of actually PPV numbers but in terms of toughness they would be his toughest opponents because they are established Welters and thats why people want Floyd to fight any of them. They want to see Floyd really tested against fighter who they deem can test him if Floyd wins then he proved his point.

Here is the Problem with your Argument about Floyd Competetion:
1. Your Argument is Completely SUBJECTIVE.

Meaning your Argument can change with the times.
When Do we reach a point where a fighter's accomplishment are Incorrigible.

Meaning:
A Fighter is legitimate champion meaning he beat the man who was the man, then he is the champion like it or not.

Example:

• Who was Glen Johnson before Roy Jones???
• Who was Buster Douglas Before he beat Tyson???
• Whp was Vernon Forrest before he beat Mosely???
• Who was Winky wright before he beat Mosely???

NOT

If a Fighter is a champion and he loses in a way that you dont find credible, then he is NOT a real champion

But Your argument is based on specific conditions which have no time limit, and on popular opinion which always changes on fighters.

The only reason I make this point is because of Some People
Who discredit Fighters even though they are legitimate champion meaning he beat the man who was the man, then he is the champion like it or not.

See I only use Standards when Standards are been used too...
If People Didnt apply Standards like they do on Floyd...
I wouldnt used Standards like I do on other fighters....

Do you understand????

If People give credit where credit is due, then I will do the same.

Floyd fans just want floyd wins to stop gettting discredited just because they didnt meet some standard that didnt exist at the time...





2.Your Answer for all your Problems with Floyd competetion is:

Margarito, Cotto or Williams

First:
Were Margarito, Cotto or Williams great fighters in 2006 and 2007 or just a deserving young fighters?

For Cotto in 2006 and 2007

• If he is a great fighter ...why and how..?
• What champions have he beat for a belt..?
• What P4P Highly ranked fighter has he beat..?
• Cotto has never been highly ranked on the P4P List..!
• Cotto has never fought a young, prime, active, p4p fighter yet..!

Cotto is on the cusps of Greatness he is not great yet, IMO he haven't put himself in a position to be recognize as a great fighter.....

• When was the last time cotto was a not a favorite going into a fight ..??

Just Like you discredit Hatton,Judah and Baldomir...
Cotto can be discredit the same way..because
Anybody can Subjective with the facts, but that still doesnt change the facts...



Would Margarito, Cotto or Williams be no better then Ricky Hatton if they didnt manage to make the fight competitive enough to be perceive to really challenge Floyd

Because the way it looks right now, even though there is high demand for this fight, Floyd is EXPECTED to win this fight.


And it seem by your Standards, If Floyd is expected to win the fight.

then Those guys don't beloing in there with him.

You see the problem:


The whole competition argument is Subjective and based on if the fighters can make the fight with Floyd competitive..

You say "He did not fight an established Welterweight"

• What does that mean?
• How many fights at welterweight do you have to have to be estadlished?

NOT LOOKING AT THE FACT...THAT THE GUYS FLOYD FOUGHT HAVE PRESTIGE AND STATUS AND SOME WERE CHAMPIONS "LEGITIMATELY"

Is it floyd fault that they didnt make the fight competetive?