HELP ME UNDERSTAND...the truth behind Mayweather / Pacquiao.

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Joe is being discussed as possible #1 p4p, ATG and lock first-ballot HoF'er.

In my opinion, his best wins are Jeff Lacy and Mikkel Kessler. Two guys who won't be remembered.

Yes, he has BHop and RJJ on his resume. Their average age was 41 when CalSlappy beat them.

Calzaghe exploits the punch count rules, but his stamina is amazing and his ability to impose his will on opponents should not be overlooked. After watching the fight with Hopkins is looked pretty clear that if Hopkins had better stamina (pre-'05) he'd have beaten Calzaghe. But Calzaghe has beaten Lacy, Bika, Kessler, Hopkins and Jones all in a row.

I don't think he's necessarily one of the greatest of all time, but he's only a notch or so below that if anything. I don't like the way he play patty cake instead of really throwing punches, but he's effective. And he would have been effective in any era.

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Plus, Mayweather had no trouble adjusting to the pro style. He won the linear 130 lb title in dominant fashion less than two year later.

I don't think anybody (with a lick of sense) would classify FMJ as an average amateur....or average fighter. He had both: classical boxing skills and very good power at the lower weights.

But many amateurs DO struggle with the transition. There's a reason yrell Biggs (or whoever) beat Mike in the O Trials. A reason why David Diaz beat Judah. Etc.

Some guys are more successful in the amateur style, some guys take more readily to the pro style.

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Joe is being discussed as possible #1 p4p, ATG and lock first-ballot HoF'er.

In my opinion, his best wins are Jeff Lacy and Mikkel Kessler. Two guys who won't be remembered.

Yes, he has BHop and RJJ on his resume. Their average age was 41 when CalSlappy beat them.

thanx for your answer thats a point.

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But Calzaghe has beaten Lacy, Bika, Kessler, Hopkins and Jones all in a row.

I.

Lacy - solid fighter who lacks dimensionality...and experience.

Bika - a contender

Kessler - solid contender/beltholder

Hopkins - a sure loss for Joe in Hop's prime.

Jones - a sure loss for Joe in Roy's prime.

I just feel that the following guys all fought at 160-175 during joe's "reign":
Toney, Hopkins, jones, johnson, taylor, winky, dawson, tarver, etc.

How many of those guys did CalSlappy face at/near their primes?

Note: you forgot Manfredo?

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Is it a coincidence that both Hopkins and Jones knocked Joe down early in their fights? I don't think so. I think it is a peek under the tent of what they would have done to The Slapper in their respective primes.

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Lacy - solid fighter who lacks dimensionality...and experience.

Bika - a contender

Kessler - solid contender/beltholder

Hopkins - a sure loss for Joe in Hop's prime.

Jones - a sure loss for Joe in Roy's prime.

I just feel that the following guys all fought at 160-175 during joe's "reign":
Toney, Hopkins, jones, johnson, taylor, winky, dawson, tarver, etc.

How many of those guys did CalSlappy face at/near their primes?

Note: you forgot Manfredo?

Dude are you talking about alltime or ranking Calzaghe in the top 2 or 3 now? Because there's a big difference. Only the most rabid Calzaghe supporters think he's an unquestioned all time great. Who cares about that?

BUT be objective. It's not just that he beat certain people at whatever point in his career. The Manfredo was kind of a joke. Yeah Manfredo was there to win, but he wasn't going to win a single round.

The problem I have is when people get on the board and pick all of the fighters who fought at a certain weight class and decide that since they didn't fight the so-called champion they say it was that so called champions fault they didn't fight.

For example, you listed Toney right? Toney had no desire to make any weight much less 168 around '97 or '98 when a fight between he and Calzaghe could have happened or made sense. Then there's Antonio Tarver. By the time Calzaghe unified 168 Tarver had already lost to Jones, Johnson and Hopkins and didn't bring as much money to the table as Jones and Hopkins.

I think Calzaghe may still fight Taylor or even Pavlik if they can get on a great run over the next 12 months, but he won't fight Johnson or Dawson. Johnson would beat him. Dawson, maybe, but I'm not sure.

So, no I don't consider Calzaghe an alltime great, but I do respect him as one of the better fighters of this era protected or not. Had he fought all comers he'd still have a great resume. He wouldn't be undefeated, but he'd still have a great resume.

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Mayweather: Judah (prime), Baldomir, Delahoya (154), Hatton

Pacquiao: Marquez (prime), Diaz, Delahoya (147), Hatton

Why is Pacquaio's run celebrated ("ATG"), yet Mayweather's run is belittled ("coward")? Please help me understand.

this guy started at flyweight and comes to fight.

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a great resume is better than being undefeated.

[Chups]

a great resume is better than being undefeated.

Louis, Robinson, Ali, Armstrong ****s on Marciano's resume.

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this guy started at flyweight and comes to fight.

Jeezuss ****in H Christ. Would you guys PLEASE stop with the "Manny used to fight at 57 pounds" bull****.

Manny was at 106 pounds because he was 16 years old. A lot of these guys were at that weight at 16 years old.