Joe Louis had an amazing record

[Ishy Aytan]

Thats not how it works Larry, for smegs sake get with the programme.

Lineal Champion: Guy who is considered by everyone to be the best at the weight.

Not some douchebag who was having his ass handed to him and got in a lucky punch.

No a Linear champ is a Champ who beat the champ... hence Rahmaan beat the 'Champ' in Lewis and was Lineal champ till Lewis ****ed him up in the rematch.

Its like Rahmaan beat Lewis, Lewis beat Hollyfield, Hollyfield beat Tyson, Tyson beat Holmes and Holmes beat Ali... etc etc. The Lineal Championship traces back.

[JAB5239]

Okay, i get what your saying.. In that case he will go down as the greatest heavyweight... Jack Johnson is there simply mentioned because he was the 1st black heavyweight champion... lets be honest.

In all fairness, Johnson fought most of the best colored fighters before becoming champ, as well as the best white fighters while he was champ. This doesn't excuse the fact he never gave a black man the same oppurtunity afforded him, but he was still great and a pioneer for his race.

[larryx]

No a Linear champ is a Champ who beat the champ... hence Rahmaan beat the 'Champ' in Lewis and was Lineal champ till Lewis ****ed him up in the rematch.

Its like Rahmaan beat Lewis, Lewis beat Hollyfield, Hollyfield beat Tyson, Tyson beat Holmes and Holmes beat Ali... etc etc. The Lineal Championship traces back.

thank you...........

[Ishy Aytan]

thank you...........

You Welcome...

[Kid McCoy]

forget the titles defences, Ive never put that much stock in title defences because they can be deceiving very often, especially nowadays. but look at this. he beat
-Jack Sharkey
-Primo Carnera
-Max Baer
-James Braddock
-Jersey Joe Walcott
-Billy Conn(lightheavyweight)

and these are only the lineal champs he beat. and thats a huge number, especially considering Louis himself was the lineal heavyweight champ for almost 13 years straight. I mean, lets put it into perspective. look at our two best today.

Vitali Klitschko-0 wins over lineal champs
Wladimir Klitschko-1 win over a lineal champ(Hasbeen Rocked'mon)

Louis is easily the number 2 or 1 heavyweight of all time, Jack Johnson doesnt come remotely close.

Louis' record is a lot better than some claim. He gets derided for the "bum of the month" club, but is there a single heavyweight champ who hasn't topped up his record with a few stiffs? He also beat John Henry Lewis, reigning light-heavy champ and a very good fighter. Tommy Farr is another Louis opponent who I've been very impressed with.

He dominated his division for nearly 15 years, knocking over every contender they could muster up, avenging any controversies with brutal KOs in rematches, and setting a title defences record which no one came close to breaking prior to the alphabet era. A truly remarkable fighter, and I agree with you, he's definitely a top 2 heavyweight.

[Steak]

how the ****ing did Rahman become a lineal champ?

More over, how did louis the lineal champ of his era, beat other lineal champs?

Rahman beat Lewis, so he was a lineal champ for about 5 months before Lewis sent him to nap time. probebly one of the worst lineal champs ever.

All the Lineal champs that Louis beat were considered the best in the world and were the lineal world champs before Louis became champ. other than Walcott, who became the lineal world champ a while after Louis beat him.


I think Ali would have beaten Louis too, just because of the style. just too quick, and Louis's chin was not unstoppably good, he could be hurt, and I see Ali being able to pop him with right hands and shaking him.

the thing with Louis was that he was an offensive monster. with his short, explosive punches I see him beating Foreman and Frazier...actually anyone that Ali beat.
Louis had off nights, but in rematches he was seriously death. its drastic, the change of the fight in rematches. he would mutilate people. I dont know why, maybe he figured out their style, maybe he was unprepared the first time around, I dont know...but its a huge change.

[Miburo]

It was a fairly weak and somewhat corrupt era (i.e. Carnera), there was a large gap between his skill level and that of his opponents. Great fighter, but I'd be hesitant to rate his resume too highly. His reign bridged the era from largely unskilled/outmoded forms of boxing to the great advances in technique of the 40s and 50s. Surely he was part of the impetus behind this evolution, at least offensively.

[HappyBoxingFan]

forget the titles defences, Ive never put that much stock in title defences because they can be deceiving very often, especially nowadays. but look at this. he beat
-Jack Sharkey
-Primo Carnera
-Max Baer
-James Braddock
-Jersey Joe Walcott
-Billy Conn(lightheavyweight)

and these are only the lineal champs he beat. and thats a huge number, especially considering Louis himself was the lineal heavyweight champ for almost 13 years straight. I mean, lets put it into perspective. look at our two best today.

Vitali Klitschko-0 wins over lineal champs
Wladimir Klitschko-1 win over a lineal champ(Hasbeen Rocked'mon)

Louis is easily the number 2 or 1 heavyweight of all time, Jack Johnson doesnt come remotely close.

Joe Louis is the flagpole against which all heavyweights will forever be measured.

[TheGreatA]

forget the titles defences, Ive never put that much stock in title defences because they can be deceiving very often, especially nowadays. but look at this. he beat
-Jack Sharkey
-Primo Carnera
-Max Baer
-James Braddock
-Jersey Joe Walcott
-Billy Conn(lightheavyweight)

and these are only the lineal champs he beat. and thats a huge number, especially considering Louis himself was the lineal heavyweight champ for almost 13 years straight. I mean, lets put it into perspective. look at our two best today.

Vitali Klitschko-0 wins over lineal champs
Wladimir Klitschko-1 win over a lineal champ(Hasbeen Rocked'mon)

Louis is easily the number 2 or 1 heavyweight of all time, Jack Johnson doesnt come remotely close.

You forgot Max Schmeling. That makes it seven champs, although a couple were shopworn by the time Louis fought them (most notably Sharkey).

Farr, Lewis, Godoy, Nova, Pastor and others were all good contenders that Louis beat. Bivins is a hall of fame fighter although he was at the end of his career when Louis beat him as was Louis.

[odetojoy]

you cant look at it like that..cause like animals people evolve..gotta look at the eras they fought in

boxing evolves not people....we as a species have not evolved for over 10000 years.