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  • Fox McCloud
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    Yet Another Thing Wrong With Boxing

    The way different fighters are given different treatment on their way up to the top.

    3 examples:

    Antonio Margarito/Bernard Hopkins/Juan Manuel Marquez - Guys who lost at the beginning of their careers, and had to beat a lot of good people to dig their way back up to their title shot. This is the way it always should be. You should have to beat good fighters in order to get your title shot. People with the resume of Andre Berto should not have a world title.

    Kelly Pavlik/Andre Berto/Ricky Hatton - Somewhat unknown when they started, but caught fire with their flashy undefeated records, and were able to skip some steps on the way up to their world title runs. Although Pavlik did not skip his step, when he fought Edison Miranda, he probably could have.

    Jermain Taylor/Floyd Mayweather Jr./Roy Jones Jr. - Generally former Olympians, the most hyped of all fighters. These guys get to do whatever they want, whenever they want. They can have as many or as few fights before they choose to step up and fight whatever champion they want. They are a draw because the networks make them so, so they bypass hardworking fighters like Margarito and Marquez on their way to the title, even though they have not fought anyone as good as the guys who had to dig their way up from the bottom.

    Rankings should be based on resume 100% rather than ranking.
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    #2
    Originally posted by DWiens421
    The way different fighters are given different treatment on their way up to the top.

    3 examples:

    Antonio Margarito/Bernard Hopkins/Juan Manuel Marquez - Guys who lost at the beginning of their careers, and had to beat a lot of good people to dig their way back up to their title shot. This is the way it always should be. You should have to beat good fighters in order to get your title shot. People with the resume of Andre Berto should not have a world title.

    Kelly Pavlik/Andre Berto/Ricky Hatton - Somewhat unknown when they started, but caught fire with their flashy undefeated records, and were able to skip some steps on the way up to their world title runs. Although Pavlik did not skip his step, when he fought Edison Miranda, he probably could have.

    Jermain Taylor/Floyd Mayweather Jr./Roy Jones Jr. - Generally former Olympians, the most hyped of all fighters. These guys get to do whatever they want, whenever they want. They can have as many or as few fights before they choose to step up and fight whatever champion they want. They are a draw because the networks make them so, so they bypass hardworking fighters like Margarito and Marquez on their way to the title, even though they have not fought anyone as good as the guys who had to dig their way up from the bottom.

    Rankings should be based on resume 100% rather than ranking.
    I agree. But I dont agree that rankings should be 100% resume!!!!!!!

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      #3
      Originally posted by Ch@mpBox@PR
      I agree. But I dont agree that rankings should be 100% resume!!!!!!!
      Why not? If someone has the ability that would have them ranked highly, they should be able to handle the fighters that would get them that ranking fairly easily, right?

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        #4
        What steps did Hatton skip? You have 4 champions fighting 3 times a year. Hatton really didn't deserve a shot by the time he got one?

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          #5
          Originally posted by Clegg
          What steps did Hatton skip? You have 4 champions fighting 3 times a year. Hatton really didn't deserve a shot by the time he got one?
          Marquis name at 140 before he fought Tszyu... go.

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            Berto and Malignaggi come to mind, both got title shots under mysterious circumstances, not to mention they are promoted by DiBella.

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              #7
              Originally posted by DWiens421
              Marquis name at 140 before he fought Tszyu... go.
              12 boxers (not including any of the 4 champions, btw) at 140lbs who did have a big name on their resume at that point...go.

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                #8
                Originally posted by DWiens421
                Why not? If someone has the ability that would have them ranked highly, they should be able to handle the fighters that would get them that ranking fairly easily, right?
                Yes, you may be right!! i think I over thought the fact!!!!!!!!!

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                • HappyBoxingFan
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by DWiens421
                  The way different fighters are given different treatment on their way up to the top.

                  3 examples:

                  Antonio Margarito/Bernard Hopkins/Juan Manuel Marquez - Guys who lost at the beginning of their careers, and had to beat a lot of good people to dig their way back up to their title shot. This is the way it always should be. You should have to beat good fighters in order to get your title shot. People with the resume of Andre Berto should not have a world title.

                  Kelly Pavlik/Andre Berto/Ricky Hatton - Somewhat unknown when they started, but caught fire with their flashy undefeated records, and were able to skip some steps on the way up to their world title runs. Although Pavlik did not skip his step, when he fought Edison Miranda, he probably could have.

                  Jermain Taylor/Floyd Mayweather Jr./Roy Jones Jr. - Generally former Olympians, the most hyped of all fighters. These guys get to do whatever they want, whenever they want. They can have as many or as few fights before they choose to step up and fight whatever champion they want. They are a draw because the networks make them so, so they bypass hardworking fighters like Margarito and Marquez on their way to the title, even though they have not fought anyone as good as the guys who had to dig their way up from the bottom.

                  Rankings should be based on resume 100% rather than ranking.
                  Umm... so Pavlik skipped steps or didn't? What you wrote makes no sense.

                  Who did Taylor avoid? Whenever someone says Taylor should fight somebody he fights them. What a horrible example. Really, what's the point of writing absolute nonsense?

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                  • HappyBoxingFan
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Clegg
                    What steps did Hatton skip? You have 4 champions fighting 3 times a year. Hatton really didn't deserve a shot by the time he got one?
                    Yeah... Hatton and Pavlik are TERRIBLE examples of skipping steps.

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