Yet Another Thing Wrong With Boxing

[Fox McCloud]

12 boxers (not including any of the 4 champions, btw) at 140lbs who did have a big name on their resume at that point...go.

Is your argument that anyone ranked #12 or better is the most deserving of a title shot in their division?

Congratulations on being the first person to ignore the message of the thread, and jump in just to defend your favorite fighter.

Anyway, I'll rescind my statement. I forgot a couple of names on Hatton's resume, but... you get the point of the thread.

[Fox McCloud]

Umm... so Pavlik skipped steps or didn't? What you wrote makes no sense.

Who did Taylor avoid? Whenever someone says Taylor should fight somebody he fights them. What a horrible example. Really, what's the point of writing absolute nonsense?

It's based on the hype built around the fighter.

The first group got their fame from impressive victories over impressive competition.

The second group was somewhat reknown for a solid amateur career, or having beat a couple of good names.

The third group are the people who enter the pro ranks as a huge name and are just expected to steamroll to a title.

Got it?

[Bhopreign]

It's based on the hype built around the fighter.

The first group got their fame from impressive victories over impressive competition.

The second group was somewhat reknown for a solid amateur career, or having beat a couple of good names.

The third group are the people who enter the pro ranks as a huge name and are just expected to steamroll to a title.

Got it?

I see what youre saying but I think the people you chose are the exact opposite of what youre trying to convey. In a perfect world, a contender should have to face the #1 contender beat him until he faces the champ and he shouldnt be able to skip over whoever is ranked in front of him, since fights arnt fought often this would take forever to happen.

[Fox McCloud]

I see what youre saying but I think the people you chose are the exact opposite of what youre trying to convey. In a perfect world, a contender should have to face the #1 contender beat him until he faces the champ and he shouldnt be able to skip over whoever is ranked in front of him, since fights arnt fought often this would take forever to happen.

I wasn't trying to pick people who actually did what they could... I just picked the people who COULD have done what they wanted.

You think Pavlik would not have gotten Taylor after Miranda did had he just kept beating okay fighters? He was an exciting undefeated fighter.

Taylor did not have to beat Joppy and Edouard to get Hopkins... he was a draw from pro birth.

I'm just saying the type of hype built around these guys is what determines how much they have to do in order to get a title shot.

[PR Boxer]

Berto was a 2004 Olympian but didn't represent the United States instead he represented Haiti.

[Bhopreign]

I wasn't trying to pick people who actually did what they could... I just picked the people who COULD have done what they wanted.

You think Pavlik would not have gotten Taylor after Miranda did had he just kept beating okay fighters? He was an exciting undefeated fighter.

Taylor did not have to beat Joppy and Edouard to get Hopkins... he was a draw from pro birth.

I'm just saying the type of hype built around these guys is what determines how much they have to do in order to get a title shot.

I think it says more about the promotor's power than anything. Hopkins chose to fight Taylor, otherwise Taylor would have had to fight someone else first, he wasnt a mandatory.

[Fox McCloud]

Berto was a 2004 Olympian but didn't represent the United States instead he represented Haiti.

That is the lamest thing ever IMO.

A guy loses in Olympic trials, and still goes to the Olympics... why? Does anyone think he has a reasonable chance to win? He isn't even the best in his own country, much less the world. It would just be a rerun if he ran into the guy who beat him in the Olympic tournament (Vanes).

It's generally US Olympians.

Lopez didn't have a huge following that forced a title shot, he had to earn a mandatory spot (although he really didn't have any huge names on his resume before that fight).

[Clegg]

Is your argument that anyone ranked #12 or better is the most deserving of a title shot in their division?

Congratulations on being the first person to ignore the message of the thread, and jump in just to defend your favorite fighter.

Anyway, I'll rescind my statement. I forgot a couple of names on Hatton's resume, but... you get the point of the thread.

My argument was that if 12 boxers get title shots each year, yet none/very few of them have a big win on their resume, then I think that's worth pointing out, that's all.

As for defending my favourite fighter, what do you base that on? I've never seen you come out with the 'bias Brit' stuff before, so I hope that isn't the reasoning involved.

For the record...I'm not much of a Hatton fan. I picked Mayweather to beat him, I'm picking Pacquiao to beat him, and I didn't bother to watch his last fight until about 10 days after it happened.

I get the point the point of the thread, just disagreed with the reasoning involved, that's all.

[Fox McCloud]

My argument was that if 12 boxers get title shots each year, yet none/very few of them have a big win on their resume, then I think that's worth pointing out, that's all.

As for defending my favourite fighter, what do you base that on? I've never seen you come out with the 'bias Brit' stuff before, so I hope that isn't the reasoning involved.

For the record...I'm not much of a Hatton fan. I picked Mayweather to beat him, I'm picking Pacquiao to beat him, and I didn't bother to watch his last fight until about 10 days after it happened.

I get the point the point of the thread, just disagreed with the reasoning involved, that's all.

It's not Brit bias in particular. I knew you were from the UK, and I thought you were a Hatton fan. I guess I was wrong.

The 12 should be lessened to 8... not many champs fight 3 times a year.

But yeah, that makes sense. It'd be nice if there were less titles as well, so that people really would have to be great in order to get a shot at the real title. That's already been discussed though.

[3_Hooks]

didn't pavlik have close to 30 fights while going undefeated before he fought taylor the first time?