Yet Another Thing Wrong With Boxing

[Fox McCloud]

didn't pavlik have close to 30 fights while going undefeated before he fought taylor the first time?

I remember seeing his name on the top 160 pound graphic during Wright-Soliman, in early 2K5.

That was before he fought Zuniga, Zertuche and Miranda.

I'm just saying, some hype was there.

It's not amount of fights, it's who you fight.

I'll take Povetkin's resume (14-16 fights) over Dimitrenko's resume (30+ fights).

[PR Boxer]

That is the lamest thing ever IMO.

A guy loses in Olympic trials, and still goes to the Olympics... why? Does anyone think he has a reasonable chance to win? He isn't even the best in his own country, much less the world. It would just be a rerun if he ran into the guy who beat him in the Olympic tournament (Vanes).

It's generally US Olympians.

Lopez didn't have a huge following that forced a title shot, he had to earn a mandatory spot (although he really didn't have any huge names on his resume before that fight).

Ok I undestood wrong then, but Berto in my opinion should be in that category of Olympians since hype sourrounds him and he hasn't really beaten anyone although he does have an exciting style, I like Berto as a fighter but would like to see him proving himself although the top guys in his division are too much for him in my opinion.

[Bhopreign]

Hands down Berto is the least deserving titlest in maybe all of boxing, Malignaggi was a close second when he had a belt.

[Vladimir303]

That's the benefit of having a great amateur career and winning medals at the olympics. Can't hate on that.

Hopkins didn't get his because he hasn't done anything in the amateurs. Obviously he suprised everyone with his abilities and forced himself to the top.

And we all know that the true resume building starts once you become a champion and fight top contenders.

[Vladimir303]

I remember seeing his name on the top 160 pound graphic during Wright-Soliman, in early 2K5.

That was before he fought Zuniga, Zertuche and Miranda.

I'm just saying, some hype was there.

It's not amount of fights, it's who you fight.

I'll take Povetkin's resume (14-16 fights) over Dimitrenko's resume (30+ fights).

Not everyone gets to fight a former title holder in Chris Byrd in a IBF eliminator tournament after only 14 or 15 fights. Povetkin got lucky there.

Pavlik wasn't hyped, Miranda was hyped and Pavlik took the hype from him knocking him out while taking his best punches. Simple as that.

He deserved everything he got.

[MANGLER]

The way different fighters are given different treatment on their way up to the top.

3 examples:

Antonio Margarito/Bernard Hopkins/Juan Manuel Marquez - Guys who lost at the beginning of their careers, and had to beat a lot of good people to dig their way back up to their title shot. This is the way it always should be. You should have to beat good fighters in order to get your title shot. People with the resume of Andre Berto should not have a world title.

Kelly Pavlik/Andre Berto/Ricky Hatton - Somewhat unknown when they started, but caught fire with their flashy undefeated records, and were able to skip some steps on the way up to their world title runs. Although Pavlik did not skip his step, when he fought Edison Miranda, he probably could have.

Jermain Taylor/Floyd Mayweather Jr./Roy Jones Jr. - Generally former Olympians, the most hyped of all fighters. These guys get to do whatever they want, whenever they want. They can have as many or as few fights before they choose to step up and fight whatever champion they want. They are a draw because the networks make them so, so they bypass hardworking fighters like Margarito and Marquez on their way to the title, even though they have not fought anyone as good as the guys who had to dig their way up from the bottom.

Rankings should be based on resume 100% rather than ranking.

Co-sign. Very good post.

[Bhopreign]

Not everyone gets to fight a former title holder in Chris Byrd in a IBF eliminator tournament after only 14 or 15 fights. Povetkin got lucky there.

Pavlik wasn't hyped, Miranda was hyped and Pavlik took the hype from him knocking him out while taking his best punches. Simple as that.

He deserved everything he got.

That avatar a joke? I said 3 years ago Green would never win a title when everyone was high on him.

[Vladimir303]

That avatar a joke? .

Why don't you find out: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=234796

[Fox McCloud]

Ok I undestood wrong then, but Berto in my opinion should be in that category of Olympians since hype sourrounds him and he hasn't really beaten anyone although he does have an exciting style, I like Berto as a fighter but would like to see him proving himself although the top guys in his division are too much for him in my opinion.

Berto could probably be bumped up to the third class of fighters I named. He would be one of those non-US Olympians who is really praised, like Judah, Mosley and how Danny Jacobs will be.

Hands down Berto is the least deserving titlest in maybe all of boxing, Malignaggi was a close second when he had a belt.

Don't forget what Cintron did to get his IBF belt.

That's the benefit of having a great amateur career and winning medals at the olympics. Can't hate on that.

Hopkins didn't get his because he hasn't done anything in the amateurs. Obviously he suprised everyone with his abilities and forced himself to the top.

And we all know that the true resume building starts once you become a champion and fight top contenders.

They are completely different games though. Jorge Luis Gonzalez was one of the best ams ever, and was a terrible pro. Am accomplishments gets you am glory. Pro accomplishments gets you pro glory. People should separate the two more.

Not everyone gets to fight a former title holder in Chris Byrd in a IBF eliminator tournament after only 14 or 15 fights. Povetkin got lucky there.

Pavlik wasn't hyped, Miranda was hyped and Pavlik took the hype from him knocking him out while taking his best punches. Simple as that.

He deserved everything he got.

Agreed, Povetkin did get lucky, but he was also willing to go into that tournament. It's generally mutually agreed that guys like Chambers and Povetkin avoid each other until they can cash in at least once.

People like them, and Miranda/Pavlik should really be lauded for their dedication to the sport, rather than the paycheck.

Pavlik was hyped. I promise you, Pavlik's name was on the top middleweights graphic and Miranda's wasn't in 2005.

[Vladimir303]

They are completely different games though. Jorge Luis Gonzalez was one of the best ams ever, and was a terrible pro. Am accomplishments gets you am glory. Pro accomplishments gets you pro glory. People should separate the two more.

It doesn't matter if they're gonna turn out to be good pro's or not...point is they deserve to have an easier ride because they put in the work in the amateurs. You're pretending like amateur boxing and professional aren't interrelated. THEY ARE.

Some great amateurs floppped, some others didn't.

Pavlik was hyped. I promise you, Pavlik's name was on the top middleweights graphic and Miranda's wasn't in 2005.

I've watched boxing for a long time I know for a fact that Pavlik didn't have any hype behind him. The hardcore boxing fan knew his name because like Paul Williams, he had a big unbeaten record. And when I say big, I mean big in numbers. The guy had over 30 fights......there are champions who don't have that many fights.