Duran is not a top ten ATG

[Brandish]

To be the "man" in any division, you have to beat all the other titlists in your division. Tell me, when has Floyd ever done this? Casamayor, Freitas, Spadafora, Tszyu, Margarito, Williams, Cotto, Winky have all held titles in Floyd's divisions when he was there, and he never faced them.

winky wright started at 154, floyd started at 130 how can they be in the same division. you are really losing it

once again for your viewing pleasure:

130 defeated genaro for ring/lineal130 title
135 defeated castillo for ring 135/lineal title (the same title duran held)
147 defeated baldomir for undisputed ring/lineal title

so once again when was duran ever the man outside of 135. he definitely wasn't recognized by ring or any other org as such. beating moore and barkely and quitting aganst sugar ray doesn't get you that distinction

No Moore was the not unified linear champ. But in his next fight Duran took on the WBC titlist Hearns, for which he was stripped of his title. When has Floyd ever done this?

Barkley beat Hearns, who was considered the best at 160 after Hagler's departure.

ok so duran got koed by tommy hearns in two rounds how does that make him top 5 atg he then beats barkley and instead of defending his hard won title he vacates and winds up losing to sugar ray again this time on all cards this is top 5 atg stuff we are witnessing here folks.

Marvin Hagler, Iran Barkley?

why didn't he ask hagler for a rematch, how come he never gave barkley a rematch (it was a very close controversial decison at the time many felt barkley had won) barkely wanted a rematch but duran chikened out as usual/

[SickmyDuck]

This thread is funny

Racist black moron who started is continuing to get owned

All he does call all Duran`s opponents ****

Get Floyd`s **** out of your mouth boy

Is anyone else not surprised that his top or so all time are all black?

Floyd fanboys like the threadstarter are so dumb it unbelieveable

oh no maybe he will get mad and tell me to "kick rocks"

black panther scum

[-MAKAVELLI-]

poor little brandish.....systematically broken down with facts and he pathetically defends himself with opinion




lifestyle- OWNED

[Kid McCoy]

there is no need to unify when you recognized as the best fighter in that division. was floyd the lineal/ring 130 champ was he the ring/lineal 147 champ.

Recognised by whom? You and the other fanboys? If you don't beat the other champs in your division then you haven't dominated it. End of story.

carlos baldomir was the legitimate linear unified champion, what's your [point.

It was Baldomir, more easy pickings for Floyd. That and Floyd turned down Judah when he was undisputed and calling Floyd out.

winky wright started at 154, floyd started at 130 how can they be in the same division. you are really losing it

once again for your viewing pleasure:

130 defeated genaro for ring/lineal130 title
135 defeated castillo for ring 135/lineal title (the same title duran held)
147 defeated baldomir for undisputed ring/lineal title

So holding the belt of privately owned magazine makes Floyd "dominant", eh? Ring magazine also ranked Duran the fifth greatest fighter of the last 80 years, but I bet you'd never accept that.

Duran started at 120 and you're accusing him of ducking Michael Nunn at 160 at age 38. You're the one who's touting Floyd as a five division champion, yet one of the other titlists in his division wanted to fight and Floyd ignored the challenge. So yes, Floyd ducked Winky. You can't have it both ways.

ok so duran got koed by tommy hearns in two rounds how does that make him top 5 atg he then beats barkley and instead of defending his hard won title he vacates and winds up losing to sugar ray again this time on all cards this is top 5 atg stuff we are witnessing here folks.

Yet turning down career high paydays against Margarito, ignoring a dozen or so titlists in his own divisions, turning down the undisputed welter champ and calling out Winky and then running and hiding when he accepts the challenge puts Floyd all-time top ten? These are the sort of fights which would put Floyd higher in the all-time lists, and he wanted no part of them.

why didn't he ask hagler for a rematch, how come he never gave barkley a rematch (it was a very close controversial decison at the time many felt barkley had won) barkely wanted a rematch but duran chikened out as usual/

Who thought the decision was controversial at the time?

Still nothing on Marcel?

Any thoughts on Sven Ottke being statistically superior to Floyd by your own formula for greatness?

[wpink1]

Duran, Liston and Chavez are some of the greatest fighters to ever lace em up. They conquered all styles. You are using extreme cases against some of the best fighters ever to try and make a point and it just doesn't work. I won't even bother addressing Gatti.

Duran 0-2 vs leoanard when he boxed, who else did Duran fight that used the style leoanrd used?
Chavez, whitacker, Taylor, is is fair to assume that 99.9 % of the civilzed world thinks that whitacker was robbed, and the taylor stoppage goes down in history as the worst stoppage ever. 2 seconds left, Chavez would not have even gotten another punch off, also the difference between leoand -benetiz stoppage and Chavez-Taylor stoppage is Leonard was winning.


Now for your weak and false accusation that I was false in saying that not any accredited historians have Marcel, Kyobashi,Buchanon, Moore, Barkly none of durans opponents in their top 100 except for Leoanrd which let the facts reflect Duran won this fight by 1 round on all three judges scorecards a fight in which he willingly threw away his boxing skills and just slugged, also a fight in which He came back and corrected error by making duran quit....

Now what is funny is that you all will use these sources to support your claim that duran is a all time top 10 fighter...cool, but since this source is credible for you to use, shouldnt it be credible for me to point out how weak durans resume was, and show he had 0 wins outside of Leoanrd that are truly great legendary wins. I guess it would credible except for the fact that Duran fans will pull out the Duran exception again.....what a freaking joke..

Bert Sugar top 100
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225983

the Ring to 80 last 80 years
http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/ring_80_best.htm

Espn top 50
http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/50_greatest.htm

Sugar ray Leoanrd has 4 people on 2 out of 3 on these lists
Roy Jones has 2 on out of 3 of these lists.
Duran had 100 fights..and 1 name on here, who beat him 2 out of 3....wow what a great legend.....


Sugar Ray had 5 titles to Durans 4
he beat 3 guys that beat duran and one who stopped him


Jones had 4 titles to Duras 4
Now for another weak post....To bring up Tarver when Roy was 35 or 36, after he had to lose 18 pounds of muscle to get down to lightweight. Is a simple joke. Do we need to start bringing up all the extra ass kickings Duran took when he got older. I simply point to what Duran did up until age 34.

Jones did not lose except for dq until he was 35. Now as evidenced on the above list Jones quality of opposition THAT HE BEAT, is better than duran.

You all say well duran has a bunch of fight,,,who did he beat. What quality? Roy fought 23 champions, and hmmm to answer the question about alphabet titles he beat 18 world champions. How many did Duran beat. How many defenses of 3 of those titles did duran have successfully.. Hmmm should we say 0. How many did roy have as he moved up, and around the same age, up to 34 or even 35.

Duran could have padded his record with 200 bums, the quality of the fighters he faced and beat where not as good as leoanrd, Duran and Mayweather. You all can rant and rave all day long about these bums, and box rec doesnt show the truth..Well appareently no respected sourced think too highly of them either.

Check your facts, partner.!

[UnDeniable]

Finally, on "championship fights":

There was once a fighter who went 34-0 over his career, 22-0 in "championship fights" (compared with Floyd's 18-0) and made 21 successful title defences (Floyd made 12), before retiring an undefeated champion. He fought for a title in his 13th pro fight (Floyd did it in his 18th) and in his second year as a pro (Floyd did it in his 3rd). 64% of his fights were for championships, compared with Floyd's 46%, and he managed to unify two belts, something the Pretty Boy has never accomplished.

His name?

Sven Ottke.

This post was ducked more than Aaron Pryor and Paul Williams combined

[JAB5239]

Duran 0-2 vs leoanard when he boxed, who else did Duran fight that used the style leoanrd used?
Chavez, whitacker, Taylor, is is fair to assume that 99.9 % of the civilzed world thinks that whitacker was robbed, and the taylor stoppage goes down in history as the worst stoppage ever. 2 seconds left, Chavez would not have even gotten another punch off, also the difference between leoand -benetiz stoppage and Chavez-Taylor stoppage is Leonard was winning.

Duran, 1-2 against Leonard with that 1 win coming with gas still left in the tank. Same can't be said for the 2nd loss. Chavez being beaten by Pea is no real embarrassment, as Whitaker is amongst the best ever. and Taylor did lose to Chavez. Last I checked, whetyher a fighter could land another punch or not, 2 seconds left means the fight is still going. I you can't answer simple questions, you aren't prepared to continue. So you can stop with all the word manipulation now.

Now for your weak and false accusation that I was false in saying that not any accredited historians have Marcel, Kyobashi,Buchanon, Moore, Barkly none of durans opponents in their top 100 except for Leoanrd which let the facts reflect Duran won this fight by 1 round on all three judges scorecards a fight in which he willingly threw away his boxing skills and just slugged, also a fight in which He came back and corrected error by making duran quit....

Then show me these sources. Until then, as far as Im concerned you are making it up to prove a point. In other words you are lying. and I don't know why you keep harping on the second Leonard fight. It doesn't change the fact he won the first one. Live with it.

Now what is funny is that you all will use these sources to support your claim that duran is a all time top 10 fighter...cool, but since this source is credible for you to use, shouldnt it be credible for me to point out how weak durans resume was, and show he had 0 wins outside of Leoanrd that are truly great legendary wins. I guess it would credible except for the fact that Duran fans will pull out the Duran exception again.....what a freaking joke..

Bert Sugar top 100
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225983

the Ring to 80 last 80 years
http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/ring_80_best.htm

Espn top 50
http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/50_greatest.htm

Sugar ray Leoanrd has 4 people on 2 out of 3 on these lists
Roy Jones has 2 on out of 3 of these lists.
Duran had 100 fights..and 1 name on here, who beat him 2 out of 3....wow what a great legend.....


Sugar Ray had 5 titles to Durans 4
he beat 3 guys that beat duran and one who stopped him


Jones had 4 titles to Duras 4
Now for another weak post....To bring up Tarver when Roy was 35 or 36, after he had to lose 18 pounds of muscle to get down to lightweight. Is a simple joke. Do we need to start bringing up all the extra ass kickings Duran took when he got older. I simply point to what Duran did up until age 34.

Jones did not lose except for dq until he was 35. Now as evidenced on the above list Jones quality of opposition THAT HE BEAT, is better than duran.

You all say well duran has a bunch of fight,,,who did he beat. What quality? Roy fought 23 champions, and hmmm to answer the question about alphabet titles he beat 18 world champions. How many did Duran beat. How many defenses of 3 of those titles did duran have successfully.. Hmmm should we say 0. How many did roy have as he moved up, and around the same age, up to 34 or even 35.

Duran could have padded his record with 200 bums, the quality of the fighters he faced and beat where not as good as leoanrd, Duran and Mayweather. You all can rant and rave all day long about these bums, and box rec doesnt show the truth..Well appareently no respected sourced think too highly of them either.

Check your facts, partner.!

I couldn't respond to the rest of this indepenently I was laughing so hard! I mean seriously, look at the lengths you will go to try and discredit Duran. Comical. You can't change the facts. Most reasonable and open minded people, as well as boxing historians put Duran in the top 10 all time. Your lame arguments are not going to change that. If your arguments were of any merit, somebody, I 'm sure would of picked up on it before. as is, you have not proven, nor do most of this board or people in the know agree with you assertions. Why is that? Is it because you know more than everybody else? Or is it because you are just plain wrong? In 2006 the IBRO had Duran ranked 7th all time.More than half the voters had him in the top 10. 28 of 30 in the top 20. So seriously, tell us, what do you know and what can you prove that hasn't already been pawwed over by this esteemed bunch? Simple answer.....nothing.

Ps- the Ring and ESPN are not boxing historians. Nice try though.Partner.

[JAB5239]

This post was ducked more than Aaron Pryor and Paul Williams combined

Of course it was. It shot down every sorry assed theory a nuthugger could present. I might actually nominate that post of the year. You gotta love when someone is yapping at the mouth and someone else come back with something and the next thing.......................................dead silence. Ouch!!!

[UnDeniable]

Of course it was. It shot down every sorry assed theory a nuthugger could present. I might actually nominate that post of the year. You gotta love when someone is yapping at the mouth and someone else come back with something and the next thing.......................................dead silence. Ouch!!!

Floyds my favourite fighter OAT ( Look at my sig )

But i know where he is in comparison to other greats, Now if he came back and beat Pac , Cotto and Marg then we can have a discussion but for now NO!

[JAB5239]

Floyds my favourite fighter OAT ( Look at my sig )

But i know where he is in comparison to other greats, Now if he came back and beat Pac , Cotto and Marg then we can have a discussion but for now NO!

Floyd is an excellent fighter, but as you have stated he hasn't accomplished enough to be held in the same esteem as many of the other fighters that have been talked about in this thread. Nice to see you're so open minded about it. Besides yourself and a few others, that can't be said of many Floyd fans.