Mayweather Has Flaws, Pacquiao Wants Him: Says Roach

[Senor Boxeo]

Wait a minute!!!

First Pac must get by Hatton which is a toss-up fight at this point. Hatton is one hell of a fighter with a decent set of whiskers and great ring generalship. Pac has the overall strength and is a very determined man with slight advantages in all the aspects of boxing over Hatton. A premier fight in 2009.

I believe De La Hoya has at least a couple of more fights in him, but not at a depleting weight of 147. A match at 154 to 160 against Winky Wright or Vernon Forrest or both can put a cherry on top for De La Hoya if he can beat both in 2009 then hang em up.

Mayweather Jr. is not back until he says he's back.

[S A M U R A I]

"Oscar gonna beat the dog **** out of Pacquiao. Oscar gonna rearrange his ****ing face man, believe me". ~ Floyd Sr.





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[gopi11]

HAHA, how did he "evolve" against a punching bag like Diaz? Marquez' deserves more credit for his performance at 135, with his destruction of sly boxer Joel Casamayor. In any case, I doubt you'll get a chance to be proven right. Manny and Freddie will avoid the rubber match with JMM at all costs.

Manny deserves a lot of credit for the victory over Delahoya, but he's being given way more credit than is warranted. DLH's overtrained state in the ring made Manny look a lot better than he really is at any weight over 130. I'll give him credit at 135 when he beats a real champ there, which includes JMM.

Take off your blinders man and you'll soon see the light. I'm not even hyping Pacman's demolition job against Oscar, and you make it seem that Floyd against Pacman will just be a stroll in the park for PBF. You won't see me saying that Pacman can easily beat Hatton or Floyd, because nobody knows what's going to happen, that's why they fight the fights.

You're now saying Oscar's overtrained after the fact, what were you saying again before the fight? Yeah, I thought so...

[Benny Leonard]

In his last 2 fights, Pacman makes his opponents look like a punching bag, why is that? Could it be Pacman is not that easy to read anymore? Did he improved by leaps and bounds defensively? I know it's thrilling to see Floyd's defense, his shoulder rolls, he makes his opponents missed by an inch with bombs just whizzing by him, but Pacman's defense is much as effective too, albeit differently from Floyd's. He makes them missed by mile, he covers up his head with his arms very well now, he parries the body attacks with his elbows, it's not easy to find him now, and he hasn't lost a round (17 rounds) in his last 2 fights which will attest to his improved defense. He's wary against his opponents now, since he moved up in weight and up against big boys. He used to charge with no regard for life when he was up against opponents who approximates his size and built, and he doesn't mind getting tagged as long as he can get his own licks in. He found out that it was a much better proposition for him to give and not receive anything back.

Here's a take about Manny's fighting style from someone from ringside, it's no other than one of the judges himself, Stan Christodolou. If Pacman can't predict what he will do next, I don't know how will his opponents figure him out too, shades of a healthy Floyd in his younger years:

"Christodoulou doesn’t believe De La Hoya was shot as much as Pacquiao was too good. “I’ve never seen a fighter like him. You can’t work out his style. He adapts and adjusts to his opponent’s style. He (Pacquiao) doesn’t even know what he’s going to do next. He just fights according to the situation, he reacts to what’s happening in front of him. He’s unique,” says Christodoulou, who believes Pacquiao will hold his own against the world’s top welterweights."

LOL; tell that to Freddie.

Because Diaz wasn't a great fighter and Oscar was DEAD. If Pac had fought Oscar at a healthy weight of 154, so he could hydrate to 164+ and fought...and Manny still did that to him; yeah, that would have been something.

It's too early to tell how much Manny improved. Diaz wasn't a fast fighter or a great, let alone very good boxer that could use timing and angles to counter him.
The things that beat speed are Timing with properly placed counters, along with a solid jab. Power helps as well...but the others are better.



If Pac had to fight at 130 right now; how would he look?

So you are going to take the advice of a judge instead of others?

How many bad decisions have these judges made? They aren't perfect.

Not sure on the judge though...do you have back info on him?
Was he a fighter, trainer, or something?
It would help.


Anyway, the point still goes along with what Roach said about Oscar which was basically, Manny fought a dead man.

The Diaz fight would be better to discuss. Speed was what Diaz said, which is also what I think was part of the problem with Oscar as well, even though I still go along with Freddie's point of view with Oscar: he can't pull the trigger and the weight thing.

The speed could also bother Floyd at this point in his career; especially with the inactivity. It's like taking a baseball player after two years off and having him play in his first game against active pitchers; how will he react?


OH, and the fact that this judge said Pac can hold his own with the other Welterweights just hurt his and your case. Even Freddie said he isn't ****** to keep him in against Welterweights.

[P4P PACMAN]

Pacman on top

manny is the best fighter in the world. nobody can stand with him. if you punch him he recoils and hits you back. if you counter him, he will combo your ass. if you run .... well just ask oscar

[nickphilli]

floyd does not know how to deal with a strong left jab, and a right cross would cause him problems too, if pac fights the perfect fight, he can probably get the SD or UD on floyd, but only if he in and out, much like he did oscar, but its not that easy with floyd..he'll probably just end up trying to pressure floyd like ricky hatton, and get caught with something big

[kingfaze19]

pacquiao is certainly more confident than ever but lets not take it too far. the best fight for him to make is vs hatton cuz he has a serious chance to beat him since they have kinda similar styles, but floyd's boxing skills are out of this world and pacquiao has the type of style that mayweather can have a field day with.

[Benny Leonard]

... and what's health got to do with our discussion? I'm rebutting this "dehydrated" issue which gets to be thrown here like it's going out of style and you throw this curve ball? I know what you're talking about BTW, Oscar's stomach shrunk by trying to make weight ahead of time, but this wasn't the issue here. At least the Pacman detractors will have another bullet to fire at Pacman since you've brought it up here...

MMMMMMMMYYY, Bad; should have followed the discussion.

But, Freddie did say that he didn't think Oscar was able to get fluids back in him in time which was part of the use of the I.V. Two pounds to rehydrate is nothing. It think that may be what the poster was talking about but, I'll have to go back in check what his post was. Kind of lazy at the moment though so maybe later unless you can post it for me

Either way: Pac looked great that night and is on top of his game.

[SkillspayBills]

This is great news. Pacman knows that a win over Mayweather would rank him nicely...

Gotta love Pac's confidence.

It would make him a top 10 ATG. It's worth the risk. Floyd would embarass him and make himself a top 20 ATG with a win methinks.

[Benny Leonard]

Coming down to welterweight actually enhances my speed. ~ Oscar

Oscar has all the answers for Manny Pacquiao, whatever he tries. ~ Angelo Dundee

He's at the point now where he sees things before they happen. ~ Member of De La Hoya's team, 24/7 series

I felt the same way that Oscar feels now. It's that, people are counting him out, people thinking that he can't pull the trigger. People thinking that he ain't gonna be able to fight three minutes for 12 rounds. Well, he can dictate the fight the way he want it to be. ~ Bernard Hopkins

The timing is perfect, him coming in a couple of weeks before the fight. When Hopkins is telling you "well, just relax and fight your fight, take his heart right from the start" it pumps you up. It pumps you up and makes you more confident. ~ Oscar

Oscar has his chance, come December 6, to prove himself. Yes, Pacquiao is fighting Oscar, but Oscar is fighting to keep that legacy alive and respected. We (we?) now are fighting for pride and dignity. Principle. ~ Bernard Hopkins

This type of fight at this stage of my career, I'm so hungry for the knockout, that's why I'm working as hard as I am. My style and his style? Sooner or later we're gonna clash! Knockout. There will be a knockout! ~ Oscar

I feel in tremendous shape. I mean, I can spar 12 rounds here with no problem. I can run 10 miles with ease. ~ Oscar

I haven't felt this good in a long, long time. ~ Oscar

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= I'm trying to Sell a fight for $55; buy my fight.

Should I start listing every fighter that was past his prime that said this as well?

For example: Ali was talking mad stuff before he fought Holmes; how did that work out?

And what did Oscar say right after the fight to Freddie?


Try not to buy into the fighter's promotion so much.

Floyd says he is greater than Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson.



The one real bad part to this all was that it takes away from Manny in many ways. It's a shame, but its just the way it is.

Manny will get it back when he beats a live/prime fighter.

He will get some credit if/when he beats Hatton, but don't be surprised if posters bring up what Freddie has already been saying: Hatton was Knocked out by Floyd, so...