Mayweather Has Flaws, Pacquiao Wants Him: Says Roach

[trainhard_187]

funny isnt it? ***ing pathetic i tell you.

Funny how when Pac vs. DLH was first announced you had the picture of the Philippines being destroyed on Dec. 6. Now you have excuses for Delahoya.

Get over it man, FACE DEFEAT. You have no answers for Pacquaio.

Again QUIT the excuses for Delayhoya. The dudes a professional and has been doing this for years. He wasnt dehydrated, Pac just made him look old.

Again I quote from Jim Lamphely" Pacquiao is making Delahoya LOOK OLD"..

[trainhard_187]

"Floyd Mayweather Sr: Anybody can whoop somebody if they not in shape. You gotta remember, Floyd fought Oscar De La Hoya at 154 pounds; Manny fought him dehydrated. Oscar was dehydrated man and hadn't made that weight for 12 years man and here he is weighing less than the little man."

Didnt Sr. say Oscar dont need him to beat Pacquaio. Now hes the leader of these excuses.

Floyd Sr. is one of the biggest clowns. Get over Sr., DLH was DEMOLISHED. This dehydrated excuse is seriously hilarious.

What happened to Oscar is bigger, smarter, has more experience... Throw all this garbage out the window when facing Pac.

[Epie2]

If Pacquiao were only American and not Filipino, he would have convinced doubters long ago. After de la Hoya, Dan Rafael still rank JMM ahead of Pac at lightweight. His excuse that JMM holds the linear title is just that, an excuse.

Pac over Mayweather.

[gopi11]

I wouldn't go so much on his last fight with Oscar; Oscar was a punching bag. Diaz, maybe, but Diaz isn't exactly a great boxer like JMM was.

The problem with you last statement is that at this point, they wouldn't be excuses, more so reasons...which is why it kind of sucks in a way. It's also why I would hope, if Floyd can't be at his best that he wouldn't come back.

Where you say Pac has improved, I say Floyd has declined in recent years.
And you can't argue with the injuries he has had which is why it's said he wasn't as active...as well as it partially playing a role of him being fed up.
Fighting through such problems isn't something fighters like...especially fighters like Floyd.

In his last 2 fights, Pacman makes his opponents look like a punching bag, why is that? Could it be Pacman is not that easy to read anymore? Did he improved by leaps and bounds defensively? I know it's thrilling to see Floyd's defense, his shoulder rolls, he makes his opponents missed by an inch with bombs just whizzing by him, but Pacman's defense is much as effective too, albeit differently from Floyd's. He makes them missed by mile, he covers up his head with his arms very well now, he parries the body attacks with his elbows, it's not easy to find him now, and he hasn't lost a round (17 rounds) in his last 2 fights which will attest to his improved defense. He's wary against his opponents now, since he moved up in weight and up against big boys. He used to charge with no regard for life when he was up against opponents who approximates his size and built, and he doesn't mind getting tagged as long as he can get his own licks in. He found out that it was a much better proposition for him to give and not receive anything back.

Here's a take about Manny's fighting style from someone from ringside, it's no other than one of the judges himself, Stan Christodolou. If Pacman can't predict what he will do next, I don't know how will his opponents figure him out too, shades of a healthy Floyd in his younger years:

"Christodoulou doesn’t believe De La Hoya was shot as much as Pacquiao was too good. “I’ve never seen a fighter like him. You can’t work out his style. He adapts and adjusts to his opponent’s style. He (Pacquiao) doesn’t even know what he’s going to do next. He just fights according to the situation, he reacts to what’s happening in front of him. He’s unique,” says Christodoulou, who believes Pacquiao will hold his own against the world’s top welterweights."

[K U Y I P]

i see some flaws too in mayweather. he's a slick boxer and he doesn't gets hit very often.lol...

[passey]

PBF and Pac will no doubt be the best fight for 2009.

[K U Y I P]

i wouldn't be surprised if this fight pushes through instead of pac fighting hatton. Roach is now starting to talk. hatton is f***ed....

[gopi11]

And you should look into "health."

You know bodybuilders are at their weakest by showtime because they are cutting weight by decreasing carbs and calories.

Freddie even said Oscar shrunk his stomach which played a big part.

You should really hear what Freddie said about Oscar making weight weeks prior. You would be proved wrong.

Just the way it goes.

... and what's health got to do with our discussion? I'm rebutting this "dehydrated" issue which gets to be thrown here like it's going out of style and you throw this curve ball? I know what you're talking about BTW, Oscar's stomach shrunk by trying to make weight ahead of time, but this wasn't the issue here. At least the Pacman detractors will have another bullet to fire at Pacman since you've brought it up here...

[S A M U R A I]

Coming down to welterweight actually enhances my speed. ~ Oscar

Oscar has all the answers for Manny Pacquiao, whatever he tries. ~ Angelo Dundee

He's at the point now where he sees things before they happen. ~ Member of De La Hoya's team, 24/7 series

I felt the same way that Oscar feels now. It's that, people are counting him out, people thinking that he can't pull the trigger. People thinking that he ain't gonna be able to fight three minutes for 12 rounds. Well, he can dictate the fight the way he want it to be. ~ Bernard Hopkins

The timing is perfect, him coming in a couple of weeks before the fight. When Hopkins is telling you "well, just relax and fight your fight, take his heart right from the start" it pumps you up. It pumps you up and makes you more confident. ~ Oscar

Oscar has his chance, come December 6, to prove himself. Yes, Pacquiao is fighting Oscar, but Oscar is fighting to keep that legacy alive and respected. We (we?) now are fighting for pride and dignity. Principle. ~ Bernard Hopkins

This type of fight at this stage of my career, I'm so hungry for the knockout, that's why I'm working as hard as I am. My style and his style? Sooner or later we're gonna clash! Knockout. There will be a knockout! ~ Oscar

I feel in tremendous shape. I mean, I can spar 12 rounds here with no problem. I can run 10 miles with ease. ~ Oscar

I haven't felt this good in a long, long time. ~ Oscar


I stole these following posts from another board, but they say what I wanted to type. Credit to the original posters.


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Pacquiao VS Barrera I
Before: Barrera is P4P #3, its a walk in the park
After: His camp was on fire and he was shot

Pacquiao VS Marquez I
Before: Marquez is the technical master of all
After: Judges are corrupt

Pacquiao Vs Morales I
Before: Morales was a legend
After: I told you so!

Pacquiao VS Velazquez
Before: Hector is a top fighter
After: He is a bum

Pacquiao VS Morales II
Before: He will get another beating from Morales
After: Morales is shot

Pacquiao VS Larios
Before: Larios is a very durable fighter
After: Izzy KOed him at 4 while Pac can't

Pacquiao VS Morales III
Before: It was only a bad night, Morales will prevail
After: He was shot (again)

Pacquiao VS Solis
Before: He is undefeated
After: He is a bum

Pacquiao VS Barrera II
Before: Barrera will sought revenge
After: Barrera is shot

Pacquiao VS Marquez II
Before: Marquez would counter him all night long and win
After: Judges are corrupt

Pacquiao VS Diaz
Before: No way can Pac win against a legit lightweight
After: Diaz was a paper champ

Pacquiao VS Hoya
Before: Hoya TKO1 Pacquiao and thats with mercy
After: Hoya is shot!!!!

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It's not difficult at all to ARGUE! Just like it's not hard to find subjective angles to get ones opinion across.

Just look at what he says about JMM... how "MOST thought he won". Most did not think JMM beat PAC.... given that it was a close fight there were fans of both being biased... then you have un-biased fans who had their own opinions... but what it comes down to is how you like your fights... what your preference is. Bottom Line... PAC has beaten MAB who at the time was P4P one of the best fighters in the world and CHAMPION whom PAC beat. What??? I guess he forgot to bring up that PAC should have WON the initial meeting but JMM received a gift DRAW due to a mathematical error by one of the judges. It's easy to leave out facts when they go against your post.

EM... who PAC lost to in a very brutal competitive match, then EM went on to lose against Raheem who is a very slick fighter and with a HUGE fight looming with PAC I'm sure no one felt this was the best EM who lost to Raheem.

People wrote EM off as shot... Whatever.... PAC destroys him in the rematch and rubber and everyone is all on the bandwagon...EM is shot right?

Then EM... the SHOT Fighter moves up to 135 where he is so shot he actually IMO beats David Diaz in a pretty tough 12 round fight.... yes... EM is Shot yet able to got 12 rounds with a young world Champion in Diaz.

Then we have the MAB who got thoroughly outboxed in the rematch and then IMO edges JMM who is soooo good yet can't KO a shot MAB?...this makes no sense.

I could go on and on but it's been said time and time before. Haters are good at what they do...they hate and sometimes they are so good at it they can get some groupies to join the "hating game"...Haters like to run in packs.



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[Doc Holliday]

Because Pacman has evolved in his last 2 fights, it will be a KO for Manny if Pac/JMM happens again. I'm not surprised that you haven't seen the Pacman change by comparing his 2 previous fights against JMM for his future fights, you're not alone on this take and I won't hold it against you.

I'm sure you'll see the light after Pacman fights Floyd, I just don't like to hear excuses like it was Floyd's inactivity, bad hands and bad back, etc that did him in, after Pacman's done with him...

HAHA, how did he "evolve" against a punching bag like Diaz? Marquez' deserves more credit for his performance at 135, with his destruction of sly boxer Joel Casamayor. In any case, I doubt you'll get a chance to be proven right. Manny and Freddie will avoid the rubber match with JMM at all costs.

Manny deserves a lot of credit for the victory over Delahoya, but he's being given way more credit than is warranted. DLH's overtrained state in the ring made Manny look a lot better than he really is at any weight over 130. I'll give him credit at 135 when he beats a real champ there, which includes JMM.