Joe Calzaghe and Carl Froch Trade More Insults

[S A M U R A I]

On your first bullet point my man, I think you've mis interpreted. I'm pretty sure he said Lacy struggled with Sheika when Calzaghe done him in 4. So fair enough there, he was stating fact. He wasn't on about Joe struggling as it mighta come across as.

Right, I'll take that back. I probably misheard.



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[Kris Silver]

Pascal ain't world class, but Jeff Lacy was?

Carl Froch made some fair points IMO. Joe should remember how hard it was for him to make the big fights happen back in the day when he was calling out the best and no one wanted to give him a ''Pay day'' and a fight. Calzaghe is now top of the tree and dishing out the same treatment, which is nice of him.

Calzaghe would make ALOT of money from this fight, so why not take the easy payday?

BTW i think Calzaghe would beat Froch, but he doing to Froch what was happening to him 8 years ago, which is ****ish IMO.

Yer you raise a good point there. The only thing is, Calzaghe's had to pansy around with a few fights he's not wanted. He was trying to build awareness in beating up a tv name in Manfredo. He decided to try to unify with Kessler, go to the US and take on Hopkins, and then RJJ.

He's already fought way longer than he intended, the guys 37, has two kids, mums begging for him to get out of the game, so is his wife and dad at times, and now at the end of his career when he's already said he wants to retire and has done it all, he has to just train for 2-3 months and fight a worser Kessler? Hardly the situation Calzaghe was in with Hopkins or RJJ years ago. But I see your point.

If Froch had gotten to this stage a few years back, of course Calzaghe woulda faced him. Joe was fighting lesser names, was eager for belts to try and unify, did so against Kessler, so what's another in Froch. The difference is, Calzaghes left SMW, is undisuputed SMW and LHW #1, beat a better Froch, and has been open about wanting to retire for awhile.

Why was Joe deserving of a fight against Prime Roy or Hopkins 8-10 years ago?

I agree with a lot of your views but Joe has been in this story before, but he was in Froch's seat.

Never said he was or wasn't. For the record I think he probably was going by some other guys they faced, Calzaghe beating a bigger name and opponent in Eubank for a belt, defending a good number of times, showing better skills. But it's not worth getting into.

Froch's just won a vacant belt which Calzaghe left for lesser guys to fight over. I wish the guy well, but he's lucky to be getting this attention, a shot at Taylor, and being credited as deserving a shot at the p4p #3. Beat Taylor and/or Kessler maybe, but even then Calzaghe's probably pushing 38 and out of action.

[S A M U R A I]

Froch's good point: "What was Calzaghe's motivation to fight manfredo"?
Calzaghe's hypocritical statements: "I only want fights that will improve my legacy".

Have you ever heard Calzaghe speak about the Manfredo fight? I have. I saw an interview with Steve Bunce, and Steve said he'd talked to Joe about it. Joe told Bunce he was bored of these kind of fights, he wasn't motivated at all, and he didn't want to do it, but he did it simply for the money. He earned good money in a very easy fight and simultaneously got himself some name recognition in the USA.

You act as though Joe picked his fight with Manfredo. He didn't. Don't act as though that fight was a big deal. It wasn't. But it was worth it because the positives outweighed the negatives and it kept him busy.



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[Chunk..]

It is funny how things go full circle and all of the sudden you're the guy telling these up and comers that they're not worthy of a fight for one reason or another?

Obviously Carl was wrong for wanting to fight the best, when he has loads of time ahead of him at the tender age of 31.

[-Swizzy-]

Have you ever heard Calzaghe speak about the Manfredo fight? I have. I saw an interview with Steve Bunce, and Steve said he'd talked to Joe about it. Joe told Bunce he was bored of these kind of fights, he wasn't motivated at all, and he didn't want to do it, but he did it simply for the money. He earned good money in a very easy fight and simultaneously got himself some name recognition in the USA.

You act as though Joe picked his fight with Manfredo. He didn't. Don't act as though that fight was a big deal. It wasn't. But it was worth it because the positives outweighed the negatives and it kept him busy.

the point was that Calzaghe hasn't fought anyone to significantly improve his legacy. He talks legacy but he doesn't do anything about it. If he truly cared about his legacy, he would have been signed on to fight Dawson by now.

[S A M U R A I]

Someone should tell Calzaghe that fighting 40 year olds hasn't ever improved anyone's legacy in the history of boxing. If Calzaghe wants to improve his legacy, he needs to face Dawson.

the point was that Calzaghe hasn't fought anyone to significantly improve his legacy. He talks legacy but he doesn't do anything about it. If he truly cared about his legacy, he would have been signed on to fight Dawson by now.

You mean the same Dawson who just lost to a 40 year old Johnson and beat a 40 year old Tarver?

Think about what you are saying before you post it.

Joe does not "need" to face Dawson. That's complete and utter horse ****. Dawson needs Calzaghe more than the other way round. Let's be realistic here. Calzaghe doesn't feel he needs to "improve his legacy". For ****'s sake.

I don't think I've ever heard Calzaghe even mention the word "legacy", come to think of it.



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[Chunk..]

Never said he was or wasn't. For the record I think he probably was going by some other guys they faced, Calzaghe beating a bigger name and opponent in Eubank for a belt, defending a good number of times, showing better skills. But it's not worth getting into.

Froch's just won a vacant belt which Calzaghe left for lesser guys to fight over. I wish the guy well, but he's lucky to be getting this attention, a shot at Taylor, and being credited as deserving a shot at the p4p #3. Beat Taylor and/or Kessler maybe, but even then Calzaghe's probably pushing 38 and out of action.

Joe won a vacant WBO belt, from a guy who was good but not his best Eubank who took the fight on short notice and gave Joe one of the hardest fights of his career. who Joe beat in the next few fights were wins that weren't going to get him a fight with a prime Roy or Hopkins, but that didn't stop him calling out the best, so i don't see why it's a problem for Carl?

My opinion, not going to change.

[Porter's Dad]

That Manfredo line was funny.

Joe's right. Manfredo was a star.

[-Swizzy-]

You mean the same Dawson who just lost to a 40 year old Johnson and beat a 40 year old Tarver?

Think about what you are saying before you post it.

Joe does not "need" to face Dawson. That's complete and utter horse ****. Dawson needs Calzaghe more than the other way round. Let's be realistic here. Calzaghe doesn't feel he needs to "improve his legacy". For ****'s sake.

Dawson doesn't need Calzaghe as much as Calzaghe needs Dawson. Dawson will go on to have a tremendous career and Calzaghe currently has a very short window of opportunity to actually face a great prime fighter which he hasn't yet in his career. If Calzaghe would actually beat Dawson, he would be his first great win over a prime fighter.

He has beaten Kessler but Kessler himself hasn't beat anyone of signifance yet. His last 2 wins are over Haussler and Sartisan. Not very impressive at all. If Calzaghe retires now, his whole legacy will rest on kessler's shoulders. And as of right now, Kessler hasn't done much.

[BurgerKing]

Joe's right. Manfredo was a star.

Manfredo was known globally for his historic performances on the contender