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Originally posted by Motofan View PostGo back and watch his old fights and then tell me with a straight face that he was at his best at that point. Go ahead, I'll wait. You have never struck me as a poster who doesnt know ****. Im suprised to hear you think MAB was prime when he fought Pac.
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Originally posted by Motofan View PostGo back and watch his old fights and then tell me with a straight face that he was at his best at that point. Go ahead, I'll wait. You have never struck me as a poster who doesnt know ****. Im suprised to hear you think MAB was prime when he fought Pac.
i dont need to go back and watch tapes...i'm fully aware of what a juggernaut Barrera was at the time of the 1st manny fight...he just finished whooping Salud, who was the original Hawaiian Punch (and a personal favorite of mine)...ripped thru Hamed, beat Morales, whooped Kevin Kelley and Johnny Tapia....that's not prime to you? really?
and like i said, after Barrera's beatdown, he strings like what, 7 straight wins and another world title
but i guess, that's not 'prime' enough for some
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Originally posted by Makavelli View Posti dont need to go back and watch tapes...i'm fully aware of what a juggernaut Barrera was at the time of the 1st manny fight...he just finished whooping Salud, who was the original Hawaiian Punch (and a personal favorite of mine)...ripped thru Hamed, beat Morales, whooped Kevin Kelley and Johnny Tapia....that's not prime to you? really?
and like i said, after Barrera's beatdown, he strings like what, 7 straight wins and another world title
but i guess, that's not 'prime' enough for some
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Originally posted by Motofan View PostHe strung those 7 or so wins together because he was still a good fighter. I never said he was totally shot when he fought Pac, just a ways past his best. Hopkins can dominate Pavlik at 43 but he isnt at his best. Had a prime Hopkins met Calzaghe he likely would have won. But even a past him prime Hopkins can string together good wins. Same thing.
so he was past his prime prior to the 1st PAC fight?
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Good article. I like Manny, but I want to see him against a good, young fighter in his prime. Not a washed up Barrera, Morales, and DLH. And there is no way he will be fighting Marquez again.
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Originally posted by BIGPOPPAPUMP View PostBy Lyle Fitzsimmons - OK… first things first.
Yes, I saw Saturday night’s fight. Yes, I’m crystal clear on the result.
Yes, Manny Pacquiao whipped Oscar De La Hoya like he’d never been whipped.
In a way I didn’t think he could be whipped.
Simply put, I was wrong. And the myriad people who’ve dropped e-mails in the interim since the final bell… kudos and congratulations to you all. You were right.
Of course, I didn’t see any of your predictions beforehand, but I’ll take for granted that each and every one of you “knew” it was going to go down exactly as it did – in spite of heavy betting odds and general pre-fight consensus to the contrary.
That’s just the kind of guy I am.
And there… now that we’ve firmly established those points, here’s another:Smilies
I’m still not convinced.
So while cable TV analysts and clever e-mailers have been breathlessly invoking the multi-division ghosts of Armstrong and Robinson, I’m a little less willing to cede Mr. Pacquiao his place alongside those immortals quite yet.
To me anyway, there’s a little more work to be done.
Though the one-sided nature of his victory was beyond any argument, a few hard facts nonetheless remain about exactly what the Filipino sensation accomplished in Las Vegas.
He beat a 35-year-old former welterweight… not a reigning champion.
He beat a man who’d been .500 in his last six fights… not a streaking contender.
He still holds zero legitimate titles in any weight class… not three, as Armstrong did.
And while none of this diminishes the virtuosity he displayed Saturday – and none of it changes the fact that I thought Oscar would win decisively – it ought to inject at least a smidgen of reality into the “Pacquiao is God” chatter that’s been growing louder by the second. [details]
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