I am SURPRISING SHOCKED on how gullible you so called fans are!

[Southpaw16]

At the end of the day, the two guys still have to weigh in in the same weight class. At the time of the weigh in, 24 hours before the fight, they both have to be within the same 7 pound range. That has to count for something. You've used Paul Williams fighting Klitschko as an example, but I don't see those two weighing in within 7 pounds of one another.

The bottom line is this was the biggest fight to be made in boxing, and they made it. I don't have a problem with that.

[y2flyy]

DLH isn't moving down two weight classes. He was never really a MW and his best weight was WW. Pac is moving up two classes, he looked pretty decent at LW, and weighed more on fight night than most other LWs. We're talking about one guy in his prime, fighting two weights above where he looked very effective, fighting a past prime and inactive guy at his most effective weight, but where he will probably be weight drained enough to make the fight even more competitive.

DLH is moving down TWO weight classes. Please tell me I read incorrectly when you said DLH is best right now at 147.
So I am to believe you and not De La Hoya who for the last 5 years have said it is impossible for him to make 147.
He has stated it constantly.
In regards to fighting PBF, Margarito, Sugar Shane Mosley Trilogy, Cotto, etc.... DLH has always stated he will NEVER and COULD NEVER make 147

Oh but wait I forgot he can make 147 to fight a way smaller guy and sell that to the buying public....

And you all have been fooled AGAIN!

[ELPacman]

Could one of you please enlighten me on how this will be an exciting fight?

Manny's fighting. Question answered. On to another issue, I think boxing is turning into entertainment these days more than a sport as I read in another article. It's like, unless the fight has freaks involved or the fight itself is of freakish nature, nobody will hype it up or pay to advertise it the way they do Oscar fights. I mean, how often to people get together for boxing fights and sit down with family or friends and just enjoy any particular fight these days? Not too often...Now as they advertise boxing in a way they would WWE or MMA stuff, it's become more of an entertainment or annual event where theres 1 good fight that everyone will pay attention to and buy.

[Benny Leonard]

Simply because you are comparing Apple to Oranges. Who cares how it was fought Centuries ago. People heads and hands were chopped off in open public for committing certain crimes in those days as well
But in today's society that is not practical and society would find it too brutal and would not go for it

Same thing with Fighting/Boxing certain rules and conventionally competition in today Boxing are within certain rules.
Weight and Size within certain weight classes matter significant.

Manny Pac could easily win every fight from 115-130
But if he fought 147 or higher he would get killed easily

Why is that? Because of simply the size difference....

I appreciate the respectful way you responded, even though I may have insulted you.....

You missed the point:

Boxing was started for Self-defense. It was used by soldiers to defend themselves in battle when they were unarmed. It was later made into a sport, however; the whole purpose was to see who was the best, who was loved by the Gods. They knew in Nature that there are no weight-limits in a fight. In battle you can't tell the opposing enemy, "Hey, you are bigger then me, we can't fight." So, the Greeks thought, why bother making weight limits; we want our fighters to overcome the obstacle of size...just like David vs. Goliath. David knew he couldn't stand toe to toe, so he danced around shooting rocks at Goliath while never daring to be "macho."


In recent history we have seen "smaller" boxers stand their ground against "Bigger" fighters, for example: Joe Choynski fought both Jack Johnson and Jim Jeffries. Choynski was no bigger than 175 pounds at around 5'10.
He was a feared fighter in his day. His biggest strength, besides his power that was felt and claimed by both Johnson and Jeffries, was his incredible brilliant mind as a fighter.

We also have Sam Langford: a fighter that was only 5'6 1/3 and started either as a lightweight or a Welter. His best weight is said to be middle. Sam fought the HWs of his day as well:

"During his career, Langford defeated such men as Joe Gans, Harry Wills, Kid Norfolk, George Godfrey, "Philadelphia" Jack O'Brien, Joe Jeannette, Sam McVea, Ed "Gunboat" Smith, Willie Lewis, George "Elbows" McFadden, George Gunther, "Young" Peter Jackson, Jack Blackburn, Larry Temple, Dixie Kid (Aaron Brown), "Fireman" Jim Flynn, Jeff Clark, Bill Lang, Tom "Bearcat" McMahon, Jack Thompson, John Lester Johnson, Dan "Porky" Flynn, Ed "Bearcat" Wright, Theodore "Tiger" Flowers and "Big" Bill Tate"

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/langford.htm

You also have Stanley Ketchel who would climb to light heavyweight to face LH champion Philadelphia Jack O'Brien; he would later go on to fight HW Jack Johnson.

Cyberboxingzone has him listed as 142 and a170 1/4 lbs. His best was a Middle.

Barbados Joe Walcott:
"Joe Walcott, the "original", had the power to beat heavyweights; in fact he scored a first round kayo over 180 pound Tom McCarthy fairly early in his career. Walcott fought a number of other light heavyweights and heavyweights"

"Walcott often gave weight to opponents and came out victorious. For one of his fights against **** O'Brien, considered one of the best fighters of his weight, The Aug. 28, 1895 Boston Herald reported "Walcott, according to Tom O'Rourke, weighed 138 pounds, against O'Brien's 150 pounds. This ordinarily would be considered a great handicap. Few fighters would care to give away a dozen pounds. But so certain was O'Rourke that his man would win that he waived the weight." Walcott knocked out O'Brien in 2 minutes and 25 seconds of the first round."

"Tommy West was a pretty good middleweight who had fought 17 rounds with Tommy Ryan for the middleweight title, and Walcott clearly dominated him, winning three times, once by ko, with 1 decision loss, 1 draw, and 1 ND.

Walcott also fought a draw with middleweight (and future light heavyweight champion) Philadelphia Jack O'Brien over 10 rounds.

Walcott beat a number of other top middleweights including Jack Bonner, Kid Carter, George Cole, and the ever-durable Joe Grim.

Walcott fought light-heavyweight champ George Gardner twice, winning once by 20 round decision and losing by the same. He also defeated light-heavyweight Young Peter Jackson. One wonders whether modern era welterweight champions would have success against the reigning light-heavyweight champion if their opponents weighed in at 175?"

Oh, and by the way, Walcott's listed height, estimated at about 5'1 1/2

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/walcott.html

Here's a name you might know if you didn't know the others:

ROBERTO DURAN:

"reliable" boxing records has him listed in his first fight at 119.

Duran is one of the best LIGHTWEIGHTS of all time. This "lightweight" would eventually move up to Welter where he would beat a prime Sugar Ray Leonard. Then, he would move up further to Middle to challenge Marvin Hagler. He lost, but it was a good battle. He even went up as high as Super-Middle.

How about Roy Jones Jr: Started at 154-160 and moved all the way up to HW and won a title.



And for Oscar: Won a lightweight title and would move all the way up to middle and beat Sturm and then fight Hopkins, who started his career at LH and would late in his career go back up to LH to win a title.

Shane Mosley: Lightweight who moved up to 154.

[Benny Leonard]

Manny's fighting. Question answered. On to another issue, I think boxing is turning into entertainment these days more than a sport as I read in another article. It's like, unless the fight has freaks involved or the fight itself is of freakish nature, nobody will hype it up or pay to advertise it the way they do Oscar fights. I mean, how often to people get together for boxing fights and sit down with family or friends and just enjoy any particular fight these days? Not too often...Now as they advertise boxing in a way they would WWE or MMA stuff, it's become more of an entertainment or annual event where theres 1 good fight that everyone will pay attention to and buy.

Pro Sports is entertainment.

[Benny Leonard]

SEe the bold and underlined, if Pac right now fought at 115, he'd get knocked the **** out, and im not sure he beat Humberto Soto at 130, he fights at 122 he'd lose as well. You don't under stand what weight drained means.

Yup; it's why Pac had to move up. He also lost by KO in one of his fights because he was so weight-drained that he had nothing.

[Benny Leonard]

Duran started at 119 and fought Tommy Hearns who won a title at Lightheavyweight and even won the IBO title at cruiserweight.

Current cruiserwight Champ Guillermo Jones started at 147

Former Welter champ Mickey Walker fought heavyweights and won a few fights there

Sam Langford fought from lightweight to Heavyweight.

Billy Conn started at lightweight and ended up fighting for the Heavyweight title twice.

Damn...just saw your post. Would have saved me some time.

Missed Mickey Walker and Conn. Not sure how I missed Walker; I just posted up an article about him from Goldy's website.

Good job: Short and to the point.

[MANGLER]

**** the 'Dream Fight.' As much as people ***** about PPV rip offs, if they buy this it's ****in crazy.

[roundingace]

I blame ODLH for making this fight. I DO NOT blame Pacman for taking this fight. Pac will come out of the fight better than when he went in regardless of the outcome. Oscar on the otherhand, is lose/lose everyway you look at it. I don't like the fight and I think it's a joke, but yeah, I'll be watching it. Not paying for it, but I'll be watching it.

[y2flyy]

You missed the point:

Boxing was started for Self-defense. It was used by soldiers to defend themselves in battle when they were unarmed. It was later made into a sport, however; the whole purpose was to see who was the best, who was loved by the Gods. They knew in Nature that there are no weight-limits in a fight. In battle you can't tell the opposing enemy, "Hey, you are bigger then me, we can't fight." So, the Greeks thought, why bother making weight limits; we want our fighters to overcome the obstacle of size...just like David vs. Goliath. David knew he couldn't stand toe to toe, so he danced around shooting rocks at Goliath while never daring to be "macho."


In recent history we have seen "smaller" boxers stand their ground against "Bigger" fighters, for example: Joe Choynski fought both Jack Johnson and Jim Jeffries. Choynski was no bigger than 175 pounds at around 5'10.
He was a feared fighter in his day. His biggest strength, besides his power that was felt and claimed by both Johnson and Jeffries, was his incredible brilliant mind as a fighter.

We also have Sam Langford: a fighter that was only 5'6 1/3 and started either as a lightweight or a Welter. His best weight is said to be middle. Sam fought the HWs of his day as well:

"During his career, Langford defeated such men as Joe Gans, Harry Wills, Kid Norfolk, George Godfrey, "Philadelphia" Jack O'Brien, Joe Jeannette, Sam McVea, Ed "Gunboat" Smith, Willie Lewis, George "Elbows" McFadden, George Gunther, "Young" Peter Jackson, Jack Blackburn, Larry Temple, Dixie Kid (Aaron Brown), "Fireman" Jim Flynn, Jeff Clark, Bill Lang, Tom "Bearcat" McMahon, Jack Thompson, John Lester Johnson, Dan "Porky" Flynn, Ed "Bearcat" Wright, Theodore "Tiger" Flowers and "Big" Bill Tate"

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/langford.htm

You also have Stanley Ketchel who would climb to light heavyweight to face LH champion Philadelphia Jack O'Brien; he would later go on to fight HW Jack Johnson.

Cyberboxingzone has him listed as 142 and a170 1/4 lbs. His best was a Middle.

Barbados Joe Walcott:
"Joe Walcott, the "original", had the power to beat heavyweights; in fact he scored a first round kayo over 180 pound Tom McCarthy fairly early in his career. Walcott fought a number of other light heavyweights and heavyweights"

"Walcott often gave weight to opponents and came out victorious. For one of his fights against **** O'Brien, considered one of the best fighters of his weight, The Aug. 28, 1895 Boston Herald reported "Walcott, according to Tom O'Rourke, weighed 138 pounds, against O'Brien's 150 pounds. This ordinarily would be considered a great handicap. Few fighters would care to give away a dozen pounds. But so certain was O'Rourke that his man would win that he waived the weight." Walcott knocked out O'Brien in 2 minutes and 25 seconds of the first round."

"Tommy West was a pretty good middleweight who had fought 17 rounds with Tommy Ryan for the middleweight title, and Walcott clearly dominated him, winning three times, once by ko, with 1 decision loss, 1 draw, and 1 ND.

Walcott also fought a draw with middleweight (and future light heavyweight champion) Philadelphia Jack O'Brien over 10 rounds.

Walcott beat a number of other top middleweights including Jack Bonner, Kid Carter, George Cole, and the ever-durable Joe Grim.

Walcott fought light-heavyweight champ George Gardner twice, winning once by 20 round decision and losing by the same. He also defeated light-heavyweight Young Peter Jackson. One wonders whether modern era welterweight champions would have success against the reigning light-heavyweight champion if their opponents weighed in at 175?"

Oh, and by the way, Walcott's listed height, estimated at about 5'1 1/2

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/walcott.html

Here's a name you might know if you didn't know the others:

ROBERTO DURAN:

"reliable" boxing records has him listed in his first fight at 119.

Duran is one of the best LIGHTWEIGHTS of all time. This "lightweight" would eventually move up to Welter where he would beat a prime Sugar Ray Leonard. Then, he would move up further to Middle to challenge Marvin Hagler. He lost, but it was a good battle. He even went up as high as Super-Middle.

How about Roy Jones Jr: Started at 154-160 and moved all the way up to HW and won a title.



And for Oscar: Won a lightweight title and would move all the way up to middle and beat Sturm and then fight Hopkins, who started his career at LH and would late in his career go back up to LH to win a title.

Shane Mosley: Lightweight who moved up to 154.

Great post it is very hard to argue against that!

Still and all as a boxing fan today in a very different time as the times you made mention

We all have seen how boxing may end up soon

And you can not say that this fight helps boxing more than it hurts

And I have absolutely no respect for De La Hoya!

He is like a dude in high school that talks smack and fights a girl

No respect!