James Toney: ATG Or Not?

[Chr0nic]

oh **** melly mel is mad!!!

tell em why!!

**attempts to stir up controversey**

lol

you killed the thread rj


i think toney is'nt atg, but he is defianetly a VERY, emphasis on the very talented and one of the few great natural boxers, i think he had the potential to be an atg, but he did'nt care much, he relied simply on his already god given gifts

those are my thoughts anyway

[Stab Judah]

won 70 (KO 43) + lost 6 (KO 0) + drawn 3 = 81
rounds boxed 606 : KO% 53.09

Lost 2 times at heavyweight and 1 to Roy Jones

In 79 pro fights you are going to run into some style mismatches and some Buster type upsets.

[Joe2608]

Awesome skills and solid chin. HoF worthy, however he's not an ATG imo. Steroid use, restricted to IBF world titles and not that many big fights on the resume holds him back.

[Truth]

you killed the thread rj


i think toney is'nt atg, but he is defianetly a VERY, emphasis on the very talented and one of the few great natural boxers, i think he had the potential to be an atg, but he did'nt care much, he relied simply on his already god given gifts

those are my thoughts anyway

Why did i kill the thread? lol

[Truth]

no need to say why. his record, and accomplishments speak for themselves. Toney is a throwback, and one of the best skilled boxers of the last 2 decades.

I was kidding man.

[Truth]

Iceman....what do you think?

[Pullcounter]

discuss....

Achievements
• The WBA Heavyweight Champion 4/30/2005 Ruled no-decision
• The Ring Magazine “2003 Fighter of the Year”
• USA Today “2003 Fighter of the Year”
• World championship fights - 10-1-1
• Rated WBO #1, The Ring #5, WBC #3, WBA #3, IBF #4 at heavyweight
• Former IBF cruiserweight world champion
• Former IBF super middleweight world champion, 3 successful defenses
• Former IBF middleweight world champion, 6 successful defenses
• Former USBA light heavyweight champion
• The Ring Magazine “1991 Fighter of the Year”

www.Jamestoney.com

toney deserves his due... he's more ATG than calzaghe that's for damn sure.

[oldgringo]

Yep, one of the greatest fighters of the modern era. He is one of the toughest, most naturally skilled fighters to ever do it. If a few losses alone can knock a fighter out of consideration, lets remove Ezzard Charles, Ruben Olivares, Jake LaMotta, etc from our minds too.

At one point Toney was what, 43-0, before losing to Roy Jones. He was considered among the 2-3 best fighters in the sport and had beaten an impressive list of opponents.

Michael Nunn
Charles Williams
Mike McCallum
Iran Barkley
Reggie Johnson

He was already a great fighter by that point. The **** he did at the back end of his career just reinforced the idea that he was a special fighter. Coming back from boxing purgatory to run off a win streak at Cruiserweight, capped by completely dismantling and nearly destroying the best Cruiserweight in the world, was special. The fact that he can even hang around with 250 pound top ten Heavyweights is incredible.

Toney has a fantastic record but he's also great for the things he has done that will be VERY rare amongst fighters today.

- He fought very often early in his career, even as a champion (e.g. SIX times in '91, fighting guys like McCallum, Johnson and Nunn).

- He has taken on the tough challenges at virtually every weight class he has participated in (Nunn, Jones, Jirov, Peter).

- He competes with fighters nearly twice his size and generally fights on even terms with them. I mean the guy is facing Tony Thompson soon, someone who has a half a foot height adv., 9 inches in reach and routinely weighs in around 240+.

[RichCCFC]

ATG? No.

HOF? Yes.

[Chr0nic]

Yep, one of the greatest fighters of the modern era. He is one of the toughest, most naturally skilled fighters to ever do it. If a few losses alone can knock a fighter out of consideration, lets remove Ezzard Charles, Ruben Olivares, Jake LaMotta, etc from our minds too.

At one point Toney was what, 43-0, before losing to Roy Jones. He was considered among the 2-3 best fighters in the sport and had beaten an impressive list of opponents.

Michael Nunn
Charles Williams
Mike McCallum
Iran Barkley
Reggie Johnson

He was already a great fighter by that point. The **** he did at the back end of his career just reinforced the idea that he was a special fighter. Coming back from boxing purgatory to run off a win streak at Cruiserweight, capped by completely dismantling and nearly destroying the best Cruiserweight in the world, was special. The fact that he can even hang around with 250 pound top ten Heavyweights is incredible.

Toney has a fantastic record but he's also great for the things he has done that will be VERY rare amongst fighters today.

- He fought very often early in his career, even as a champion (e.g. SIX times in '91, fighting guys like McCallum, Johnson and Nunn).

- He has taken on the tough challenges at virtually every weight class he has participated in (Nunn, Jones, Jirov, Peter).

- He competes with fighters nearly twice his size and generally fights on even terms with them. I mean the guy is facing Tony Thompson soon, someone who has a half a foot height adv., 9 inches in reach and routinely weighs in around 240+.

44-0 when he fought jones