Is Calzaghe the Greatest of All Time?

[Dynamite Kid]

for fun. thats the only reason I post on these forums. well that and to learn more about boxing...can always learn something new.

besides, Wiley hasnt been seen on these forums since he was wrong about Hatton knocking out Mayweather, we have to savour the moment before he runs off again.

[daggum]

He's been down, but never really hurt. We need to qualify that. If Calzaghe's defense is not his best asset, what do you assert is? Please don't say "workrate." That is an overused term as it applies to Calzaghe because; what good is output if you cannot effectively connect or you get knocked out?

same with roy jones

[Steak]

Roy Jones in the first round was still pretty fast IMO, Hopkins is one of the best counter punchers of today he solves people there defense, offense everything so to get caught by Hopkins is nothing to be ashamed about.

Salem and Mitchell were years ago when Joe was starting his run as champ at 168 hell even Hopkins got dropped early on in his career against Mercado

Salem and Mitchell were actually in the middle of Calzaghe's title run, no more than 5 or 6 years ago I believe. still, I agree, I think Calzaghe hit his prime later in the Lacy and Kessler fights.

He's been down, but never really hurt. We need to qualify that. If Calzaghe's defense is not his best asset, what do you assert is? Please don't say "workrate." That is an overused term as it applies to Calzaghe because; what good is output if you cannot effectively connect or you get knocked out?

he was hurt pretty bad by Salem. and shaken by Mitchell and Jones.

his workrate IS important, but Calzaghe is excellent at adapting mid fight and is good at throwing a good variety of punches from odd angles. he slaps a lot, but will then surprise the guy with a more powerful straight left. his jab is quick and consistant. his inside fighting is underrated, hes good at holding with the right arm and hitting with the left while guarding the left side of his body and head, Pernell used to do that a lot too.
and his stamina is pretty kickass. off the top of my head, I cant remember him being very tired at the end of any fight.

but his defence can be leaky, and he has always been open to right hands...counter right hands, especially.

[Ryn0]

Salem and Mitchell were actually in the middle of Calzaghe's title run, no more than 5 or 6 years ago I believe. still, I agree, I think Calzaghe hit his prime later in the Lacy and Kessler fights.

he was hurt pretty bad by Salem. and shaken by Mitchell and Jones.

his workrate IS important, but Calzaghe is excellent at adapting mid fight and is good at throwing a good variety of punches from odd angles. he slaps a lot, but will then surprise the guy with a more powerful straight left. his jab is quick and consistant. his inside fighting is underrated, hes good at holding with the right arm and hitting with the left while guarding the left side of his body and head, Pernell used to do that a lot too.
and his stamina is pretty kickass. off the top of my head, I cant remember him being very tired at the end of any fight.

but his defence can be leaky, and he has always been open to right hands...counter right hands, especially.

Funnily enough, Calaghe used to get very tired when he was younger when he had "good hands"
He was extremely tired vs. Eubank, Calzaghe admitted it and was tired somewhat against Brewer and Reid strange that as he got older his stamina improved.

[Dynamite Kid]

Salem and Mitchell were actually in the middle of Calzaghe's title run, no more than 5 or 6 years ago I believe. still, I agree, I think Calzaghe hit his prime later in the Lacy and Kessler fights.

he was hurt pretty bad by Salem. and shaken by Mitchell and Jones.

his workrate IS important, but Calzaghe is excellent at adapting mid fight and is good at throwing a good variety of punches from odd angles. he slaps a lot, but will then surprise the guy with a more powerful straight left. his jab is quick and consistant. his inside fighting is underrated, hes good at holding with the right arm and hitting with the left while guarding the left side of his body and head, Pernell used to do that a lot too.
and his stamina is pretty kickass. off the top of my head, I cant remember him being very tired at the end of any fight.

but his defence can be leaky, and he has always been open to right hands...counter right hands, especially.

one of Hopkins dirtiest tactics was holding with the left arm and jamming the right uppercut in

[daggum]

Roy Jones in the first round was still pretty fast IMO, Hopkins is one of the best counter punchers of today he solves people there defense, offense everything so to get caught by Hopkins is nothing to be ashamed about.

Salem and Mitchell were years ago when Joe was starting his run as champ at 168 hell even Hopkins got dropped early on in his career against Mercado

miitchell and salem were only 4 and 5 years ago at the end of his super middle run not at the start. pretty embarrassing to get dropped by those 2 scrubs.
how does calzaghe have a great chin though?
did tarver, johnson or ,prince badi get dropped by a shot jones? no
did winky, pavlik, taylor, or tarver(besides glove touching) get dropped by an old hopkins no
so he has a worse chin than all those guys but hey go for the lies it's been working for you so far
CALZAGHE HAS A GREAT CHIN CAUSE I SAY SO NO MORE EVIDENCE NEEDED

[Steak]

one of Hopkins dirtiest tactics was holding with the left arm and jamming the right uppercut in

honestly, I dont find holding and hitting to be dirty fighting at all. The illegal part of holding and hitting is the holding part...if you grab on to a guy and can stillget punches in, Im personally all for it, and I think that clinching without hitting is much worse than holding and hitting.

but yea, its a tricky move, can be pretty effective on certain fighters.

I agree Ryno, his stamina seemed to get better as he got older. probebly because he was more relaxed, more economic with his punches, etc.

[Dynamite Kid]

honestly, I dont find holding and hitting to be dirty fighting at all. The illegal part of holding and hitting is the holding part...if you grab on to a guy and can stillget punches in, Im personally all for it, and I think that clinching without hitting is much worse than holding and hitting.

but yea, its a tricky move, can be pretty effective on certain fighters.

I agree Ryno, his stamina seemed to get better as he got older. probebly because he was more relaxed, more economic with his punches, etc.

i agree i love seeing a fighter throw a few shots at his man get him on the defence then step around him put one arm around him and start hitting him from the angle Montell Griffin dont it James Toney over and over again

[Vladimir303]

I agree Ryno, his stamina seemed to get better as he got older. probebly because he was more relaxed, more economic with his punches, etc.

Or because he wasn't putting as much into his punches as before. He realized, as long as I throw more then the other guy, I'm likely to win whether I hurt him or not.

I guess it paid off. Except for the Hopkins fight, he hasn't had any close fights on the scorecards struggling like he did with Reid.

[daggum]

Or because he wasn't putting as much into his punches as before. He realized, as long as I throw more then the other guy, I'm likely to win whether I hurt him or not.

I guess it paid off. Except for the Hopkins fight, he hasn't had any close fights on the scorecards struggling like he did with Reid.

wow that is all time great material. what a champ. joe "the judge fooler" calzaghe