Here is the rules that matter in the bute fight!!!!!!!

[STEELHEAD]

source please?

post fight interview:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGM6W...video_716.html

24 seconds it took reff to complete the count

[six85]

Where did this rule come from?...nevermind now. Thanks

[OptimusWolf]

sorry i meant the source for the rules governing the fight - looked like a selective cut and paste job.

Even if Bute won by the rules, Andrade deserves an instant rematch.

[Stickman]

That is what I think too, but people here keep attacking what I have to say so I stopped saying that awhile ago. Also, bute wasn't out of it like people thought. You can see right before the bell rings in the gif image that bute is about to get right back into the fight by moving forward. Was he hurt? No doubt, but he did beat the count.

If people are attacking you for what you say...ignore it, and consider the source.

I agree he beat the count. When I watched the fight live, it didn't seem like he did, but after timing it I know he did beat the count, but that's not the bigger issue. For me, the real problem is the favoritism the ref showed, not just in the last 2 rounds by pulling them apart a few times when Bute was in trouble, but throughout the fight. The point deduction, the failure to warn Bute for excessive holding (and he really was grabbing on alot, especially in the last 4 rounds), the general favoritism he showed toward Bute. I felt that Andrade would've gotten to him a round or two sooner had that not taken place. Additionally, any other ref I know if would've stopped the fight when Bute was in such bad shape during the last 30 seconds or so in the 12th. At the very least, they'd have started the count when he went stumbling backwards acrosss the ring and bounced off the ropes, gave him the 8 count, and then let Andrade back at him, which would've almost certainly resulted in a KO win.

Nothing we can do now, of course, so not much point in belaboring it, but it's one of those things in this sport that will eat at you....injustice, that can't be righted. I saw enough of that **** in the military in places like Panama, Grenada, Afghanistan, Kuwait...it burns my ass when I see that **** in the civilized world, where people know better.

[Taranazan]

sorry i meant the source for the rules governing the fight - looked like a selective cut and paste job.

Even if Bute won by the rules, Andrade deserves an instant rematch.

http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/

Bout Rules on the right menu (under Rules)

[bazookajoe]

I feel for all you Andrade fans. The ref was incompetent and his inexperience really showed. But he didn't lose that fight for Andrade...his strict interpretation of Rule 6 did...and for this I blame the IBF rules.

Rule 6 trumps the rest of the knock out/technical knockout literature in the IBF rules. That's the problem. Rule six has to be rewritten. This said, Bute won the fight, but only because of an ambiguous rule that if repeated could kill a fighter next time.

[bazookajoe]

think of how much could have been avoided with a rule like "contestant must be within 2 feet of the neutral corner when knockdown occurs"....or if Commissions would mark lines of demarcation at each corner where the contestant must retreat and cannot traverse when a knockdown occurs.


Second, add to rule 6 that the contestant must rise "unaided by any object or person".


Andrade lost the title because there wasn't enough words in rule 6. Bute retained it because there were too few.

This said, I can't believe he got up at 8. Phenomenal. Rocky moment...and he never got props.

[Taranazan]

I feel for all you Andrade fans. The ref was incompetent and his inexperience really showed. But he didn't lose that fight for Andrade...his strict interpretation of Rule 6 did...and for this I blame the IBF rules.

Rule 6 trumps the rest of the knock out/technical knockout literature in the IBF rules. That's the problem. Rule six has to be rewritten. This said, Bute won the fight, but only because of an ambiguous rule that if repeated could kill a fighter next time.

The reason why the downed fighter doesn't have to be fit to box is that he can't suffer more punishment until the next round. So he has time to recover and if he can't, his corner can stop the fight. That rule doesn't put him in immediate danger. That being said, I wouldn't be unduly upset if it was rewritten.

[Crazylegs77]

Determination of a Knockdown


It shall be ruled a knockdown when, as a result of a legal blow or series of legal blows, a contestant:

1. Touches the floor with any part of the body other than his/her feet;

2. Is being held up by the ropes, or

3. Is hanging on, through, or over the ropes without the ability to protect him/herself and cannot fall to the floor.



Knock Down Eight Count

In the case of a knock down, the eight (8) count is mandatory. A contestant who is knocked out shall be suspended for a minimum period of sixty days and a contestant who loses by technical knock out shall be suspended for a minimum period of thirty days from participating in any boxing activity.



A referee may terminate the count and the bout at any point when he/she decides that the safety of the downed boxer is at risk.



In the event of a knockdown, the downed boxer will be allowed a ten count in which to rise unassisted. Should a contestant arise before the count of ten is reached and go back down immediately without being struck by the opponent, the referee shall resume the count where he/she left off.



A referee may count a contestant out who is hanging defensively on, through, or over the ropes or on the floor.

Exactly what I thought when I saw the fight, the ropes were holding Bute up. He was gone. The ref didnt even have him step forward he just grabbed his wrists as if he was OK.

[Taranazan]

think of how much could have been avoided with a rule like "contestant must be within 2 feet of the neutral corner when knockdown occurs"....or if Commissions would mark lines of demarcation at each corner where the contestant must retreat and cannot traverse when a knockdown occurs.


Second, add to rule 6 that the contestant must rise "unaided by any object or person".


Andrade lost the title because there wasn't enough words in rule 6. Bute retained it because there were too few.

This said, I can't believe he got up at 8. Phenomenal. Rocky moment...and he never got props.

I couldn't agree more, except that I don't mind if the boxer rise "unaided by any object or person", as long as he can stand without such help at the end of the count.

I thought about Rocky when I saw him get up too. Only few boxers could've done the same.