Here is the rules that matter in the bute fight!!!!!!!

[Taranazan]

it was pretty one sided affair in the sense that Bute was effectively boxing Andrade for most of the fight, but you could see how bias the ref was allowing Bute to hold a lot and then breaking them up at times where Bute might be in trouble. Small things such as that. The fight carried into the championship rounds and Bute was visibly exhausted from all the movement he had to utilize to keep Andrade away and Andrade was starting to catch Bute more and more. The 12th round had Andrade going for a KO catching and knocking Bute silly a couple of times.

People want to compare the final round to the Chavez/Taylor fight using that as an example of how the fight ended correctly. The differences are immense though as Bute was out on his feet for about the last 40 seconds of the fight. Dude was a rag doll. He was the walking dead, his body swaying from side to side, holding on for dear life. Most impartial refs would have stopped the fight during this time, but the fight was not interrupted, as a matter of fact, if you watch Bute at about 10 seconds, dude is walking backwards as if he's about to fall THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE RING untill he is caught by the ropes. Andrade finally caught Bute and took him down. Bute looked as if he didn't know where he was. The ref started the count and you can see Librado go to the other end of the ring, ref got up to like 6, then turns around and tells Librado to go back to his corner, then goes back to Bute begins to count again, Bute gets up slowly AND LEANS ON THE ROPES, doesnt STAND by himself, he LEANS on the ropes and the ref is asking him if he's ok, NEVER asked him to walk forward because he knew Bute wouldn't have been able to, moves away and the bell rings.



Now the difference between the Chaves/Taylor fight is that the ref CORRECTLY deemed Taylor not able to fight after asking him if he can continue and Taylor not responding. Regardless of the amount of time left on the clock, Taylor was no longer able to continue and if the ref would have allowed him to do so, that would have shown bias for him.

If the fight truly would have gone Chavez/Taylor, then the ref would have stopped the fight because Bute OBVIOUSLY was in no shape to fight anymore which would have been the correct call.

1- The ref didn't make one sided decisions as you pretend. Andrade threw Bute in a corner, hit him a few times with his arm and his head and haven't been warned.

2- If he was "holding on for dear life", then he wasn't completely out on his feet. And if he was out on his feet, then Andrade is real **** because he only landed like 2 punches during all that time. Look at Berrio at the end of his fight against Bute, that's what I call "out on his feet". Bute wasn't in such a condition last friday. I could not have blamed the ref if he had stopped the fight at 10 seconds, but it wasn't that obvious either. And the ref didn't have the opportunity to look at a replay.

3- Bute wasn't hurt that much. When he fell, he looked at his corner and got up. IMO, he was more tired than stunned.

4- Bute was up between 7 and 8 of a real count. I agree that the ref should've asked him to walk forward, but he didn't HAVE to (there is no rule). But when the ref came to him, Bute raised his arms by himself and a second or two later he went to his corner all by himself. So I think he would've been able to walk forward if the referee had asked him to. Once he's up, Bute doesn't really lean on the ropes, he puts his arms on them to recover more effectively, but he could've stood by himself. Anyway, as I mentionned in an earlier post, he didn't have to be "fit to box" because it was the end of the round (see rule #6).


I just read in a French sport site that the IBF president, Marian W. Muhammad, said that Marlon B. Wright has done his job, that there was no irregularity in this fight and that Golden Boy Promotions hasn't filed a protest on this fight yet (they have 10 day to do so).

[Ray*]

So you see nothing wrong with the ref influencing the fight? Can it not be argued that if the ref truly would had been impartial for the ENTIRE fight, the possibility of a KO before the 12th round was viable? And BECAUSE that can actually be argued, the argument that Andrade was wronged is valid?

The only thing that should influence a fight absolutely is both fighters. The ref is an instrument of impartiality and regulation of the fight, not the fighters or fighter.

Tim Donaghy's influence on the games that he reffed in the NBA was of no consequence?

I dont see anything wrong with the controversy (the KO or No KO), the ref should have stopped the fight early on when bute was all over the ring but he didnt because he was been biase...

But the KD was with 5 seconds left on the clock, Bute from what i saw on your video got up after like 4-5 seconds while the ref was "talking" to andrade, even if you the ring count quickly the bell would have rang leaving andr no time to go after the KO.

[ACHlLLES]

I just read in a French sport site that the IBF president, Marian W. Muhammad, said that Marlon B. Wright has done his job, that there was no irregularity in this fight and that Golden Boy Promotions hasn't filed a protest on this fight yet (they have 10 day to do so).

They won't, andrade ****ed up. And so did bute, the only reason bute was caught so cleanly is because Bute spent all his stamina.

[2501]

1- The ref didn't make one sided decisions as you pretend. Andrade threw Bute in a corner, hit him a few times with his arm and his head and haven't been warned.

2- If he was "holding on for dear life", then he wasn't completely out on his feet. And if he was out on his feet, then Andrade is real **** because he only landed like 2 punches during all that time. Look at Berrio at the end of his fight against Bute, that's what I call "out on his feet". Bute wasn't in such a condition last friday. I could not have blamed the ref if he had stopped the fight at 10 seconds, but it wasn't that obvious either. And the ref didn't have the opportunity to look at a replay.

3- Bute wasn't hurt that much. When he fell, he looked at his corner and got up. IMO, he was more tired than stunned.

4- Bute was up between 7 and 8 of a real count. I agree that the ref should've asked him to walk forward, but he didn't HAVE to (there is no rule). But when the ref came to him, Bute raised his arms by himself and a second or two later he went to his corner all by himself. So I think he would've been able to walk forward if the referee had asked him to. Once he's up, Bute doesn't really lean on the ropes, he puts his arms on them to recover more effectively, but he could've stood by himself. Anyway, as I mentionned in an earlier post, he didn't have to be "fit to box" because it was the end of the round (see rule #6).


I just read in a French sport site that the IBF president, Marian W. Muhammad, said that Marlon B. Wright has done his job, that there was no irregularity in this fight and that Golden Boy Promotions hasn't filed a protest on this fight yet (they have 10 day to do so).

you saw a different fight then ovbiously. What I find interesting is that there is a majority of people who felt that Bute was preferred treatment and they aren't all mostly latino, hispanic, or mexican, but vary from all races/countries/nationality. Why is that? I've seen a couple of polls and various boards and overwhelmingly, they all agree with the rest of the majority. Even Bute's hometown newspaper agreed Andrade should have gotten the KO. Why is that? Is the majority of the community THAT ignorant?

[Taranazan]

They won't, andrade ****ed up. And so did bute, the only reason bute was caught so cleanly is because Bute spent all his stamina.

The only reason Bute was caught is that he didn't follow his matchplan in the last round. He stopped using the jab and stood in front of Andrade to make the show. Let's hope he learned from that mistake and will box 12 rounds his way in the rematch (if there is a rematch...)

[STEELHEAD]

i'll say it again. in post fight interview reff said andrade would of won by ko
if he would of stayed in neutral corner!

[El Ceja]

The ref said that andrade cost himself the title for not obeying his command!!! He said more than once!!!!

[Taranazan]

you saw a different fight then ovbiously. What I find interesting is that there is a majority of people who felt that Bute was preferred treatment and they aren't all mostly latino, hispanic, or mexican, but vary from all races/countries/nationality. Why is that? I've seen a couple of polls and various boards and overwhelmingly, they all agree with the rest of the majority. Even Bute's hometown newspaper agreed Andrade should have gotten the KO. Why is that? Is the majority of the community THAT ignorant?

We didn't see a different fight. I saw the fight as a Bute fan, you did as an Andrade fan. No matter of races/countries/nationality. Most of the boxing fans knew Andrade more than Bute before their fight, and everybody liked him because he's such a nice guy. It's normal that they wanted him to win, and are upset with the decision.

About the "hometown newspaper", I'm pretty sure you are referring to "The Gazette". What you have to understand is the social climate here in Quebec. The Gazette is an English newspaper. Bute, when he came to Montreal, learned French rather than English. His fanbase is predominantly formed with French-Canadians. It's pretty hard to explain the situation, but I'm not surprised The Gazette jumped at the occasion to demean Bute (the French-Canadian hero...)

I don't pretend that the community is ignorant. But boxing, and sports in general, are an emotional subjects. It's normal to have a different point of view depending of the angle from which we see the fght. What I try to demonstrate is that it wasn't a robbery as some people here try to pretend. Nor would it have been if Andrade had won by KO. It is a gray area where there isn't a good or a bad decision really.

[Taranazan]

i'll say it again. in post fight interview reff said andrade would of won by ko
if he would of stayed in neutral corner!

You question the referee judgment and then you refer to his judgment to prove your point?

[OptimusWolf]

source please?