Stop calling Calzaghe v. Hopkins a ROBBERY.

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There is a lot of resentment of British fighters here (especially Calzaghe and Hatton). I guess their fans provoke some of it, but it is still way over the top. I'm mostly indifferent to where a boxer comes from so I try to see it for what it is.

I wish every boxing fan had that kind of mentality.



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[Stickman]

I do believe Joe TRIED to have a fight. Hopkins appeared to want nothing to do with him, though. You can't knock Joe for trying.

I wonder how many people here could catch Bernard with a punch? I know I could, cause I'm brilliant, fast, and good looking, but the rest of you ladies I'm not so sure about...

Seriously though. Fighting Hopkins must be pretty darn tricky. In fact it was proved yet again in the Pavlik fight. Here's a guy who's used to throwing about 100 punches per round. But how many shots did Pavlik actually land? And how many of those did anything at all?

The answer is... NONE.

So, it's the same for anyone who fights Hopkins. He is a slippery customer. that's all there is to it. Considering all of this, Joe didn't actually do that badly.

He did land a couple of decent body shots, for what it's worth, but I didn't see anything landed upstairs but a couple of jabs.

I got to thinking about this fight again last night....I wonder, if Pavlik, rather than trying to walk Hopkins down and get off first...what if he had just laid back and countered? Granted, Pavlik isn't the ideal choice to counterpunch a guy like Hopkins, but I wonder if maybe he would've at least managed to win a few rounds, rather than the total shutout we saw Saturday night. Hopkins would've had to come forward if Pavlik didn't, and that might've been the best way for him to deal with Hopkins. He would've still lost, but maybe not as badly.

And if a fight with Roy does materialize, I look for him to do just that...force Bernard to initiate the action so he can counter. I'm certain Calzaghe won't give him a rematch, whether he beats Roy or not. He already made it plain that the fight was too ugly to chance a repeat, and I agree with him. I can tolerate a fight like that maybe once every couple of years, and I've filled my quota.

[Stickman]

There is a lot of resentment of British fighters here (especially Calzaghe and Hatton). I guess their fans provoke some of it, but it is still way over the top. I'm mostly indifferent to where a boxer comes from so I try to see it for what it is.

Same here. I don't give a **** where a guy comes from. I'm just interested in what he does in the ring (foremost), and what kind of guy he is, I.E. humble, sportsmanlike, etc (secondary). Where he was born or lives doesn't mean ****. Oh, I prefer an English speaker, but that's just because I like to hear the pre and post fight interviews in his own words, rather than a prick interpreter adding his own spin on ****.

[S A M U R A I]

He did land a couple of decent body shots, for what it's worth, but I didn't see anything landed upstairs but a couple of jabs.

I got to thinking about this fight again last night....I wonder, if Pavlik, rather than trying to walk Hopkins down and get off first...what if he had just laid back and countered? Granted, Pavlik isn't the ideal choice to counterpunch a guy like Hopkins, but I wonder if maybe he would've at least managed to win a few rounds, rather than the total shutout we saw Saturday night. Hopkins would've had to come forward if Pavlik didn't, and that might've been the best way for him to deal with Hopkins. He would've still lost, but maybe not as badly.

And if a fight with Roy does materialize, I look for him to do just that...force Bernard to initiate the action so he can counter. I'm certain Calzaghe won't give him a rematch, whether he beats Roy or not. He already made it plain that the fight was too ugly to chance a repeat, and I agree with him. I can tolerate a fight like that maybe once every couple of years, and I've filled my quota.

EXACTLY what I was thinking on Sat. night. Why doesn't Pavlik stop coming forward like a robot? Just sit back, counter, keep a distance, try to time Bernard coming in. Play Hopkins at his own game, basically.

It would have been interesting to see what happened. Pavlik obviously thought he could just keep pressing and eventually get there because that's been his approach all the way through his career. He has no ability to adapt, unfortunately.



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[Stickman]

I was reading another forum earlier (ESB). There's a comments page for a recent article and I was astounded at the difference between the posts here and there. It seems only this board is this bad. Elsewhere, people tend to be far less narrow-minded on the subject of Calzaghe.

I actually came here from ESB awhile back because it was worse than this one, at the time. Things have changed dramatically, and I'm lately considering giving this one up entirely and going back there.

[Crazylegs77]

Are you people ***in ******ed? The word robbery gets used to loosely nowadays. This fight was NOT a robbery. THE END.

YES I AGREE. The Hopkins win has made people go nuts

Hopkins lost he held too much and did not work. Caqlzaghe while he didnt damage Bernanrd outworked him and outlanded him and made the fight.

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I actually came here from ESB awhile back because it was worse than this one, at the time. Things have changed dramatically, and I'm lately considering giving this one up entirely and going back there.

Hehe.

I was reading the comments for the "Joe Calzaghe Says No Way To A Rematch With Bernard Hopkins" article.

That's what I was reading straight after reading posts on here and there's a pretty drastic contrast, although you'll find a few haters, of course.



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[MANGLER]

Dumbasses think every close fight is a robbery.

[Scott9945]

Same here. I don't give a **** where a guy comes from. I'm just interested in what he does in the ring (foremost), and what kind of guy he is, I.E. humble, sportsmanlike, etc (secondary). Where he was born or lives doesn't mean ****. Oh, I prefer an English speaker, but that's just because I like to hear the pre and post fight interviews in his own words, rather than a prick interpreter adding his own spin on ****.

It's really as simple as whether I enjoy watching them fight or not and if I like their demeanor. Of course sometimes other things factor in. That's human nature.

[IMDAZED]

He did land a couple of decent body shots, for what it's worth, but I didn't see anything landed upstairs but a couple of jabs.

I got to thinking about this fight again last night....I wonder, if Pavlik, rather than trying to walk Hopkins down and get off first...what if he had just laid back and countered? Granted, Pavlik isn't the ideal choice to counterpunch a guy like Hopkins, but I wonder if maybe he would've at least managed to win a few rounds, rather than the total shutout we saw Saturday night. Hopkins would've had to come forward if Pavlik didn't, and that might've been the best way for him to deal with Hopkins. He would've still lost, but maybe not as badly.

And if a fight with Roy does materialize, I look for him to do just that...force Bernard to initiate the action so he can counter. I'm certain Calzaghe won't give him a rematch, whether he beats Roy or not. He already made it plain that the fight was too ugly to chance a repeat, and I agree with him. I can tolerate a fight like that maybe once every couple of years, and I've filled my quota.

Hell no Pavlik couldn't have laid back and tried to counter. You kidding? You mean throw less punches than he actually did Saturday night? **** no. He didn't throw any punches and if you don't throw any punches against Bernard Hopkins, YOU LOST. Hopkins laughed at him - he wore him down then decided to eat a couple rights in the late rounds just to see what it tasted like. Then REALLY started beating Pavlik up. No fighter with two left feet is ever beating Hopkins, especially if he isn't throwing punches.