I was at the fight last ngiht: Notes.

[MissDeeCole]

It's not like Pavlik gave anyone much to root for

[Madmar]

It's not like Pavlik gave anyone much to root for

Agreed, he was just plain pitiful. The only thing he was good at was taking hits. All he did the entire fight was attempt to jab a bit and throw 1, 2 combos which almost never landed.

This really exposed Pavlik as being a 1 dimensional, simple fighter that isn't intelligent enough to adapt. Hes tough, but that's it. I don't care for Pavlik anymore, he was an enormous let down. Really disappointing.

[williamhvx1]

great insider thanks. what honor to meet all those guys that share with us the fan each great fight that they broacast. i feel like i know them evn thog i dont!

[Squabbles94806]

Good ***** for bein at the fight.

I didn't notice the crowd first cheering for Pavlik and then started cheering for Hopkins.

Pavlik is a tough guy. But i think this was a good test for him so he can gauge where he is as a fighter.

I do think that he needs to trade up his management team.

Pavlik's corner didn't know what to do against Hopkins.

That was cold in Hopkins corner when Asheem kept refering to Pavlik as "joker" damn, that's solid right there.

In the later rounds, it looked like Pavlik didn't want to be in there. But he's got too much heart to quit. MAaadd props.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Okay let's see if you can be civil, I highly doubt it:

I think that Hopkins seemed better conditioned tonight than against especially Calzaghe, and Winky. Even more than Tarver but it's hard to say. Hopkins has never tired in his fights before the Winky fight, or the Calzaghe fight and didn't tire here as much as he did in those two fights. Is that because he was better conditioned? What Joe or Winky did? Against a punching bag in Pavlik? I'll have to watch the tape of this fight before I can reasonably answer that.

I noticed that if he had been younger he could have put Pavlik away from the 8 or 9th onward but didn't think he would. He would hurt Pavlik and back off from getting tired from throwing.

Pavlik was completely brought into Hopkins game plan so it must be pretty easy to preserve energy when the fight is completely your way.

As for how much he has left? I don't know. I noticed the Pavlik glaring weaknesses from ringside so I'm sure Hopkins did too hence making it an easy fight. Again I'll have to watch the fight on tape next week. I just got back and this is all from memory.

I think its quite obvious. Winky and Calzaghe are simply in a different league to Pavlik. Ive said all along that the guy was one dimensional. I was criticised (by you among others) for suggesting Pavlik wouldnt do much better than Jeff Lacy. I wonder if you've changed your mind - I have - now I dont think he'd even win a round.

People complaining that this boosts Joe's resume will just have to accept the fact that it does. Roy Jones' resume was boosted every single time Bernard went out and fought for the next 15 years and the guy still isnt done.

[bsrizpac]

I think its quite obvious. Winky and Calzaghe are simply in a different league to Pavlik. Ive said all along that the guy was one dimensional. I was criticised (by you among others) for suggesting Pavlik wouldnt do much better than Jeff Lacy. I wonder if you've changed your mind - I have - now I dont think he'd even win a round.

People complaining that this boosts Joe's resume will just have to accept the fact that it does. Roy Jones' resume was boosted every single time Bernard went out and fought for the next 15 years and the guy still isnt done.

He def. will not be better than Lacy know. This kind of beating takes the fight right out of you. I criticize you because even if you say the sky is blue, there's always a bias behind it. But that's for another thread.

But that said I do think Winky and Calz (as is now shown) are in another league than Pavlik. I still don't think that's what caused Hopkins to gas out but that's based on watching how Hopkins fights. As I said, I don't think Hopkins HAD to use a lot of conditioning in this fight because Pavlik was broken by round 4-5. After that it was simply an easy punching bag experience.

[Dan...]

Great breakdown dude. Thanks for posting.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

He def. will not be better than Lacy know. This kind of beating takes the fight right out of you. I criticize you because even if you say the sky is blue, there's always a bias behind it. But that's for another thread.

But that said I do think Winky and Calz (as is now shown) are in another league than Pavlik. I still don't think that's what caused Hopkins to gas out but that's based on watching how Hopkins fights. As I said, I don't think Hopkins HAD to use a lot of conditioning in this fight because Pavlik was broken by round 4-5. After that it was simply an easy punching bag experience.

Well you can think what you want about being biased but I was pretty much spot on. Ive said Roy Jones is a tougher fight. Ive said Chad Dawson gives Joe problems. It has nothing to do with Pavlik's nationality - just his lack of boxing ability.

Calzaghe is quicker, punches from different angles, has faster hands, better footspeed and kept Hopkins occupied all night long. He made him use his legs more than he wanted to and adapted around the 5th round to make BHop fight at his pace. Sure, he didnt land nearly enough clean punches that he wouldve liked but he did land. Ive said it before and I'll say it again - NO ONE looks good against Bernard Hopkins - especially this version - all you can do is get the job done.

Pavlik couldnt even land a slap - he completely allowed BHop to dictate the pace of the fight and was so damn slow and predictable with his attacks.

[bsrizpac]

Well you can think what you want about being biased but I was pretty much spot on. Ive said Roy Jones is a tougher fight. Ive said Chad Dawson gives Joe problems. It has nothing to do with Pavlik's nationality - just his lack of boxing ability.

Calzaghe is quicker, punches from different angles, has faster hands, better footspeed and kept Hopkins occupied all night long. He made him use his legs more than he wanted to and adapted around the 5th round to make BHop fight at his pace. Sure, he didnt land nearly enough clean punches that he wouldve liked but he did land. Ive said it before and I'll say it again - NO ONE looks good against Bernard Hopkins - especially this version - all you can do is get the job done.

Pavlik couldnt even land a slap - he completely allowed BHop to dictate the pace of the fight and was so damn slow and predictable with his attacks.

I wasn't referencing that particular analysis and you know it. You can hardly expect me to be bothered to read anything you say seriously can you? Give me a break bringing that up.

You were right about Pavlik. I was not sold on him either but did think he could win based on Bernard's age. So what Bernard did here is pretty impressive based on that. Again I wasn't the one pumpin up Pavlik around here, so I mean good call on that one. But whatever.

Clearly Pavlik cannot adjust to someone who can change styles. So he would lose to Joe based on that alone unless Joe suddenly became very old overnight.

[dstew]

Pavlik's fans better not turn on him like Taylor's hometown did.

They don't have a reason to turn on him, yet.

Taylor's hometown fans were disappointed with his run of boring fights, a couple unconvincing decision wins, and his comments after the Spinks fight about "fighting whoever paid him the most money."