both arthur abraham and felix sturm are paper champs

[Tobi.G]

princess arthur's overrated, when he fights a champ like Pav and wins I'll give him credit. But instead he went after Miranda when he was vulnerable from the massive beatdown Kelly gave him. Pavlik ruined Miranda and prince arthur picked up the scraps, before you arthur nuthuggers flip out and choke on your own rage wait until your boy gets in the ring with the 1 true mw champ before spouting off about how good the little princess is.

Man you dont know ****.

[lparm]

This isnt about nuthugging its about dicussion. First of all you thaughts on the Miranda fight are bull****. Everyone was saying Mirand got robbed in Germnay and AA is nothing. Miranda was claiming he felt soo good at SMW that he would ko everyone from AA to Pavlik if they dared move up in weight. To prove all the doubters that he was real he took a fight with Miranda at 166 and he took the fight in Mirandas backyard so there would be no questionable judging. As for your second point. dont forget that before Pavlik faught JT he the most legit opponent he had beaten was Miranda (not very different from AA now.) By your logic its ****** to like a fighter before he has become a champ, I gues I was wrong for following Pavliks career and claiming he would beat JT.
Lastly: Please dont emberass yourself with the whole Pavlik ruined Miranda bull****, watch Mirandas fights after Pavlik and show me where you see a ruined fighter.

Ok put down the glue its not helping your brain, Pavlik destroyed Miranda. I can find a youtube vid if you need proof. prince arthur outboxed and survived Miranda. Then after Kelly destroyed him arthur beat him convincingly, Miranda clearly couldnt take the punches after Pavlik ruined him. Think about it...if princess arthur hit him for 12 rounds and didnt dent him wtf would make you think all of a sudden he gains super powers and wipes out pantera in a few rounds. Clearly Pavlik punished him and softened him up...end of discussion

[lparm]

Man you dont know ****.

Kid its common sense, if Miranda had no trouble taking arthurs shots for 12 rounds then he runs into a brickwall named Pavlik that beat the crap out of him and then along comes arthur and he flattens pantera clearly something happened to Miranda to make him fall to arthur the second time around...its name was Kelly Pavlik.

[lparm]

Just in case you arthur fanatics are wondering how the princess beat Miranda so easily you can send your thanks to Pavlik

[ragingvic]

Ok put down the glue its not helping your brain, Pavlik destroyed Miranda. I can find a youtube vid if you need proof. prince arthur outboxed and survived Miranda. Then after Kelly destroyed him arthur beat him convincingly, Miranda clearly couldnt take the punches after Pavlik ruined him. Think about it...if princess arthur hit him for 12 rounds and didnt dent him wtf would make you think all of a sudden he gains super powers and wipes out pantera in a few rounds. Clearly Pavlik punished him and softened him up...end of discussion

First of all you forgot to comment on what you thaught of Pavlik before his fight with JT, do you just wait around for guys to become champs before admiring their skills?
Secondly AAs jaw was broken in the 4th, its a little hard to be putting dents in a guy with your jaw hanging. Only and idiot would think a broken fighter does this:

[lparm]

First of all you forgot to comment on what you thaught of Pavlik before his fight with JT, do you just wait around for guys to become champs before admiring their skills?
Secondly AAs jaw was broken in the 4th, its a little hard to be putting dents in a guy with your jaw hanging. Only and idiot would think a broken fighter does this:

I thought Pavlik was a great looking prospect after I saw his fight with McCart on versus. I know the princess had his jaw broken in the 4th but didnt Pavlik wobble Miranda in the 1st....yeah about that anyway I'm too tired to keep pointing out how wrong you are I'm off to bed so just to make you happy I'll agree and tell some lies AA is the greatest of all time lol he would have beaten any mw in any era. Happy now g'night

[ragingvic]

I thought Pavlik was a great looking prospect after I saw his fight with McCart on versus. I know the princess had his jaw broken in the 4th but didnt Pavlik wobble Miranda in the 1st....yeah about that anyway I'm too tired to keep pointing out how wrong you are I'm off to bed so just to make you happy I'll agree and tell some lies AA is the greatest of all time lol he would have beaten any mw in any era. Happy now g'night

Smart move: runnning from a discussion that makes you look ******ed. No one said anything about AA being great, just pointing out that he is in no different of a position then Pavlik was when he got his shot at JTs title. You say he is a princess cause he has not faught the man yet,I guess that makes every #1 contender a princess.

[The_Italian]

well all know abraham isnt the real champ...

if he and pavlik ever face off its going to be a one sided kelly pavlik beatdown for as long as the scheduled 12 round fight goes...i think pavlik puts him away within 7 pretty easily...

same goes for sturm.

i'd even go as far to say that taylor could get a win over both.

abraham beat up on a fighter with no real boxing technique in miranda...sure it still deserves credit (miranda is one tough customer) but not worth all the attention and praise he's got for it.

pavlik and taylor are the real deal...these guys arent.

[Landshark]

Kid its common sense, if Miranda had no trouble taking arthurs shots for 12 rounds then he runs into a brickwall named Pavlik that beat the crap out of him and then along comes arthur and he flattens pantera clearly something happened to Miranda to make him fall to arthur the second time around...its name was Kelly Pavlik.

Shut up dude seriously, you don't know your elbow from your ass. **** that ****** theory about fighters getting softened. You are an aa hater and a pavlik ass muncher. Miranda almost knocked out a guy from the building, how was he not soft in that fight and ALL OF SUDDEN Pavlik softened him up for aa, **** outta here dude seriously. PavliK's only serious opponenet has been JT, who is widely considered to be the most overrated middle of ALL TIME(i am not one of them). KASIM OUMA + COREY SPINKS will always come to mind when JT is discussed, taking away his excellent wins against Hopkins, wright etc.

[Landshark]

well all know abraham isnt the real champ...

if he and pavlik ever face off its going to be a one sided kelly pavlik beatdown for as long as the scheduled 12 round fight goes...i think pavlik puts him away within 7 pretty easily...

same goes for sturm.

i'd even go as far to say that taylor could get a win over both.

abraham beat up on a fighter with no real boxing technique in miranda...sure it still deserves credit (miranda is one tough customer) but not worth all the attention and praise he's got for it.

pavlik and taylor are the real deal...these guys arent.

Listen to this guy he speaks intelligently.
AA is knockout prone, gets hurt easily and gets hit often, of course pavlik puts him away
Lockett is arguably p4p of course aa's opponents are ****e!!!!!!