both arthur abraham and felix sturm are paper champs

[lparm]

classic "little boy" side comes out from an otherwise decent poster...

Well to be honest I liked debating this with you until you went all emo and practically had a tantrum when I pointed out your boy beat up someone Pavlik ruined. Ease up on that and let's get back to a good argument

[lparm]

wowwwwwww lollllll

you feel better now givin me red karma for difference of opinion???

you really are a chump, figured you for more of a man.

run along kiddo...

oops that was meant for landshark who gave me red k 'cause he isnt man enough to handle someone elses opinion my mistake vanes...

[VanesBoxing]

Well to be honest I liked debating this with you until you went all emo and practically had a tantrum when I pointed out your boy beat up someone Pavlik ruined. Ease up on that and let's get back to a good argument

i always kept my cool and was very logical...

who lowered himself first talkin about "nuthugging" and **** like that...

i believe you know the answer.


Enjoy your green karma now... and learn a thing or two about MANNING UP & conversing with someone with a difference in opinion without showing you are threatened.

[VanesBoxing]

oops that was meant for landshark who gave me red k 'cause he isnt man enough to handle someone elses opinion my mistake vanes...

its all good... ill take your word for it.

[lparm]

i always kept my cool and was very logical...

who lowered himself first talkin about "nuthugging" and **** like that...

i believe you know the answer.


Enjoy your green karma now... and learn a thing or two about MANNING UP & conversing with someone with a difference in opinion without showing you are threatened.

I can handle your opinion it just seems a bit crazy thats all. arthur isnt bad maybe he's the 3rd or 4th best mw right now but calling him a champ when Pavlik and the former champ JT are still out there is nuts. But I understand we all have our favorites, I'm a Pac fan so...

[lparm]

its all good... ill take your word for it.

Yeah its kicking me back to the main screen right now so once that straightens out the right guy will get green k

[VanesBoxing]

I can handle your opinion it just seems a bit crazy thats all. arthur isnt bad maybe he's the 3rd or 4th best mw right now but calling him a champ when Pavlik and the former champ JT are still out there is nuts. But I understand we all have our favorites, I'm a Pac fan so...

he is my countrymate... and the 2nd ever World Champ Armenia has produced... don't blame me for bein more proud of him than some others here.

[KingArthur]

Pav will certainly box circles around him because AA uses the classic turtle shell/counter punching style. So for the majority of the fight, he will be on his back foot covering up while Pav outworks him. The question isn't whether he has the most power Pav ever faced, the question is how will he handle the hardest puncher HE has ever faced. He has to open up sooner or later or he'll get demolished on the cards and when he does, I see the KO coming for Pav.

LOL...............LMAO "box circles" ya because Pavlik is a great boxer, whoa his boxing skills are second to none........LMAO!

Thanks for the support but the 1st abraham fight was before Kelly fought him, but I agree in the 2nd fight Miranda wasn't mentally the same guy. He reacted alot differently when he was backed up and tagged by arthur. IMO I'd say Kelly damaged him mentally.

Hey **** breathe if anyone damaged Miranda mentally it was AA. If you sit down and watch the fight, which I challenge you to do, you will see AA wobble Miranda AT LEAST 4 times WITH A BROKEN JAW! Now image if his jaw wasn't broken, do you know what would've happened.......................................... ............the same thing that happened in the second fight.

well if thats to be argued then maybe we can also say...

Abraham damaged Miranda quite a bit in the first fight before Miranda went on to be KOd by Pavlik... and yes Miranda was wobbled by power shots more than once in Germany.

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Finn73]

LOL...............LMAO "box circles" ya because Pavlik is a great boxer, whoa his boxing skills are second to none........LMAO!



Hey **** breathe if anyone damaged Miranda mentally it was AA. If you sit down and watch the fight, which I challenge you to do, you will see AA wobble Miranda AT LEAST 4 times WITH A BROKEN JAW! Now image if his jaw wasn't broken, do you know what would've happened.......................................... ............the same thing that happened in the second fight.




Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agreed...the 1st loss for Miranda and the fact that he wasn't able to KO Abraham could have had an impact on his performance against Pavlik. I don't think it had, but I also don't think that Pav broke Miranda mentally.

[The_Italian]

Listen to this guy he speaks intelligently.
AA is knockout prone, gets hurt easily and gets hit often, of course pavlik puts him away
Lockett is arguably p4p of course aa's opponents are ****e!!!!!!

abraham is nothing more than a title holder.

he had what? his FIRST (im pretty sure) fight in the U.S. and because he beats miranda people are lining up to wash his balls.

The day abraham beats someone with high credibility then i will consider calling him the best in the division.

you still have taylor and pavlik. i dont care what you say those two fighters have been tested and proven to be the real deal.

taylor made several defenses of his title...after taking it from BERNARD HOPKINS and decisioning him TWICE.

pavlik is (best way i can put it) a white version of margarito...he has a chin like a brick wall and loves to mix it up and will lay you out.

abraham is just a REALLY GOOD fighter from overseas but isnt proven in the U.S. against the sports best.

he has a long way to go...dont try and neg-rep me and say im being biased.

its not true...the truth is he isnt on the level you want him to be at yet.

end of story.

grow up.



by the way...pavlik fought a tune up with lockett...are you telling me aa fought 20 or so tune up's???