Joe Calzaghe officially number 3 on the P4P list now

[Dan...]

He did't lose so he deserves to be number 2.

Again, flawed logic. Not losing is not sufficient justification for remaining at a certain spot on the p4p list. You need to weigh up the short term resumes of each of the fighters. I'm not saying Calzaghe should lose his number 2 spot, because I don't think he should, but using "he has not lost" is not sufficient justification for him keeping his rank. If he doesn't fight a top contender in the months following the Jones fight (supposing he wins) I think he should be demoted.

[Flawless]

Kessler is definately in the top 20 p4p, most probably top 15. Educate yourself.

What the **** do you mean top 15 P4P or top 20? The P4P is about top 10 there is no number 11

[them_apples]

Common misconception... it's about resume.

Otherwise Gamboa might be on there, which would be a travesty, considering how untested he is.

It's about both, neither of which Calzaghe has. his resume in particular sucks, I wish he'd fight Pavlik.

[Dan...]

Common misconception... it's about resume.

Otherwise Gamboa might be on there, which would be a travesty, considering how untested he is.

I agree. People are always making this mistake. Last week I was talking about resumes in the context of p4p rankings and one poster said "What does resume have to do with p4p?" I then explained it to him and he answered "Everything you posted was incorrect bull****" or something similar. PPl basically have no idea.

[Dan...]

What the **** do you mean top 15 P4P or top 20? The P4P is about top 10 there is no number 11

You really are a dumb ****. The poster I was replying to said Kessler was not in the top 25 fighters in the world p4p. I was simply replying to him. Haven't you got homework to do or some **** you pathetic 15 year old muppet?

[badboypeenoy]

Kessler is definately in the top 20 p4p, most probably top 15. Educate yourself.

Is Kessler greater than these fighters P4P?

11. Ivan Calderon
12. Ulises Solis
13. Ricky Hatton
14. Joan Guzman
15. Wlad Klitschko
16. Juan Diaz
17. Shane Mosley
18. Juan Manuel Lopez
19. Steve Molitor
20. Paul Williams
Joel Casamayor
Nonito Donaire
Edwin Valero
Jorge Linares
Joshua Clottey
Arthur Abraham
Sam Peter

Not in the top 20 I say.

[Fox McCloud]

It's about both, neither of which Calzaghe has. his resume in particular sucks, I wish he'd fight Pavlik.

It's not about both...

It's about resume.

Or else why was P4P #7 Mayweather favored over P4P #5 Corrales when they fought? Seems like the better fighter had the lesser resume, right?

[Fox McCloud]

Is Kessler greater than these fighters P4P?

11. Ivan Calderon
12. Ulises Solis
13. Ricky Hatton
14. Joan Guzman
15. Wlad Klitschko
16. Juan Diaz
17. Shane Mosley
18. Juan Manuel Lopez
19. Steve Molitor
20. Paul Williams
Joel Casamayor
Nonito Donaire
Edwin Valero
Jorge Linares
Joshua Clottey
Arthur Abraham
Sam Peter

Not in the top 20 I say.

Can't imagine what one-hit wonder, coming off a loss (his 5th one no less) Mosley and no resume Molitor are doing in your top 20, but... whatever.

[daggum]

kessler just beat sartisson who was undefeated. casamayor had 3 losses come on now. much better win for kessler.

[badboypeenoy]

I agree. People are always making this mistake. Last week I was talking about resumes in the context of p4p rankings and one poster said "What does resume have to do with p4p?" I then explained it to him and he answered "Everything you posted was incorrect bull****" or something similar. PPl basically have no idea.

Resume tells you the ability of the fighter based on his performance against quality opposition. If he defeats a P4P lister in such a dominating fashion for example and repeats that performance against boxers of the same caliber...then it shows you how good that boxer is. If you are undefeated but has done so beating so so boxers, if could indicate that you are above certain level of boxers but your capability as far as performing against elite opposition is still in doubt, case in point Edwin Valero, and Thai boxers who have 50 plus wins against 2 or 3 losses.