Joe Calzaghe officially number 3 on the P4P list now

[Dan...]

I also saw that you aren't even man enough to find out if he is within top 20 nyahahahah!!! Of course he's within top 25. HE IS #25! Misleading thread dude.

Your comment was regarding top 25. Are you ****n ******ed you dumb ****?

[badboypeenoy]

Your comment was regarding top 25. Are you ****n ******ed you dumb ****?

Kessler an "elite" NYAHAHAHA!!!! You'd do anything to hype Slappy Joe. Calzaghe better retire now before he gets Khaned!

[Clegg]

There is no official P4P list.

[TheGreatA]

Calzaghe stays number 2 on my list (not that it really matters).

Marquez may have looked more impressive against Casamayor than Calzaghe did against Hopkins and it was certainly a more entertaining fight than Calzaghe - Hopkins was, but Hopkins is a better, more highly ranked fighter than Casamayor.
Hopkins was ranked in the p4p lists and still is, Casamayor wasn't on anyone's p4p lists after his last couple of fights. Both are old but Hopkins has adapted better to his old age.

If Marquez gets another impressive win against a top lightweight while Calzaghe fights Roy Jones, I might reconsider.

[Clegg]

How many fighters of the caliber of those previously mentioned has Calzaghe faced? Nada. Calzaghe's opposition so far is the lower weight equivalent of the Jimrex Jacas and Rocky Juarez. Eubank is the featherweight equivalent of Jorge Barrios to give you a proper perspective.

Calling Calzaghe slick is stretching the term. Mayweather, Calderon and Guzman are "slick". Calzaghe is "slap."

No, the Eubank that Calzaghe faced is at least as good as the Casamayor that Marquez faced.

[boxasmash]

let me watch JMM vs casamayor and ill get back to you.

but koing him is very impressive but remember, katsidis came very close to doing it himself.

[Clegg]

What the **** do you mean top 15 P4P or top 20? The P4P is about top 10 there is no number 11

You're acting as if there's an actual P4P list somewhere that is factual and recognized by everyone. The Ring's list is often referred to, but it is no more valid than any other P4P list IMO.

P4P lists are just opinion. There is no official #1, and there's no reason that it has to be top 10. A P4P top 10 list is no more valid than a top 7 or a top 20 list.

Look at Sheika record he went on to lose to Thomas Tate Eric Lucas Scott Pemberton twice, Lacy, and Beyer. Nothing special about this guys and him only having one loss means jack ****.

Reid went on to lose to Ottke Branco Lacy Froch.


Great fighters they were

Enough with the boxrec stuff.

[Clegg]

Casamayor fought a prime Corrales, Castillo, Frietas, and Marquez all of which were former P4P listers...

Holyfield fought some great, prime fighters. Where is he on your P4P list?

his record against elites 2(1KO)-4(1KO).

Not a great record, especially considering that the 2 wins were against someone who also beat him. One of them was on cuts in a fight in which he was knocked down, the other was a split decision.

For some reason you didn't mention the KD or the split decision, even though you mentioned it happening in the Calzaghe-Hopkins fight. I wonder why.

Also, bear in mind that Corrales was rated #5 at SFW at the time, yet you say he was elite. We'll come back to this point in a moment.

The Castillo he fought beat Mayweather in a lot of fans eyes,

Great, he lost to someone who lost to someone who was later considered P4P #1.

the Frietas he fought practically knocked everbody out.

So you criticize Calzaghe's opposition, but praise Frietas for KOing everybody leading up to the fight with Casamayor? Even though the people he KO'd were nobodies?

Did you watch the fight? Let me describe it for you:

Freitas comes out in the first and goes for the KO. He loads up on every single punch, and Casamayor loses the round. The next few rounds are the same. This supposedly great, slick, clever, technically skilled, counter-punching southpaw is against a simplistic slugger who telegraphs his punches and what happens in the first half of the fight? He loses every round and gets knocked down.

Because of how much energy Freitas used up with this approach, he tired and lost the last 5 rounds, thus giving Casamayor a chance to claim robbery. But to me, this fight exposes the "Casamayor was a genius" argument as severely flawed. He didn't figure out Freitas. He didn't adapt.

Kessler only fought one P4P lister and his performance ******.

Where was Freitas on the P4P list?

If you fight 100 P4P listed guys and lose to all of them, you aren't automatically better than someone who only fights one P4P guy. Casamayor lost to the P4P fighters he faced.

He beat Corrales, but where was Corrales on the P4P list at the time? Take a look:

Published in May 2003, 5 months before their fight

1. Bernard Hopkins
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Marco Antonio Barrera
4. Vernon Forrest
5. Oscar De La Hoya
6. Kostya Tszyu
7. Erik Morales
8. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
9. Lennox Lewis
10. Shane Mosley

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph..._Ratings:_2002

Is Kessler an elite? No he's just a good boxer. Now, is Casamayor an elite? Yes. He held the Ring Magazine belt didn't he?

Yeah and Shannon Briggs was the linear heavyweight champion. Go figure.

There are 17 weight divisions in boxing. By your logic, that means that there are at least 17 elite fighters. Also remember that at 147 and 135, there is more than one elite fighter, which brings us to 20+. As you stated earlier, Corrales was elite, even though he was only the 5th best in the division, so surely the number is higher than 25?

By your own reasoning, Kessler is pretty close to elite, considering that you think he is #25 in the world.

[S.G.]

i've never had him higher than JMM true story

[egreezy]

i've never had him higher than JMM true story

yeah but now there isn't even a justifiable argument to keep him below that