What does the Roy Jones of TODAY need to do to beat Calzaghe.

[Stickman]

thats where i disagree......i think if Roy comes in there with the same arsenal he came in with in the Tito fight Joes not going to have a chance to build his usual workrate.

like Reed mentioned earlier.......with Joe getting countered back and hit so often he's not going to be able to get off like he usually does. i'm not sure if you've ever boxed before but speaking from experience its true......if your getting hit or countered you have to adjust your game plan or get stopped.

and I think Roy has the arsenal and ability to do just that.

And you could very well be right. I've only been in a boxing ring a couple of times, but I do understand. Combat training in the military doesn't really relate, nothing is the same. I did, though, spend a large part of my youth in fist fights, and while that's not quite the same either, the principle is...if you're getting hit, it's hard to hit back.

We'll have to wait and see if Roy can keep Zaggs off him. Remember, Calzaghe is close to Roy's speed, throws from all angles, is a southpaw, has an awkward style, and is like the eveready bunny...keeps throwing and throwing and throwing...if Roy can deal with that without being forced to match the workrate, then you'll turn out to be right and Zaggs might well lose his zero. If he can't (and I don't think he can), it'll play out pretty much like I've said.

[Truth]

I think Calzaghe is great but I think some paint him as kind of an infallibe figure. Hes a great 36 year old fighter, but he is not perfect. Even Ray Robinson has lost fights...

[abadger]

I think Calzaghe is great but I think some paint him as kind of an infallibe figure. Hes a great 36 year old fighter, but he is not perfect. Even Ray Robinson has lost fights...

I see what you're saying, anyone can be beaten, but if I had to defend the 'infallible Calzaghe' position, I would just say that when you have a boxer who always outworks his opponent, is aggressive and is very tough to stop you have a recipe for victory. How does Calzaghe lose a decision?

To mitigate my Calzaghe love-in though, I will say this. A huge part of Calzaghe's ability to work so hard and be so agressive has been his strength and chin. At SMW he has usually been tougher and stronger than his opponent, able to take their best shots and keep coming. I'm not sure that against a really good LHW he would be able to rely on these factors anything like as much, we maybe saw him at disadvantage in this regard against Hopkins. Calzaghe isn't invincible, he's just a pretty good fighting machine at his chosen weight.

[Fenom]

And you could very well be right. I've only been in a boxing ring a couple of times, but I do understand. Combat training in the military doesn't really relate, nothing is the same. I did, though, spend a large part of my youth in fist fights, and while that's not quite the same either, the principle is...if you're getting hit, it's hard to hit back.

We'll have to wait and see if Roy can keep Zaggs off him. Remember, Calzaghe is close to Roy's speed, throws from all angles, is a southpaw, has an awkward style, and is like the eveready bunny...keeps throwing and throwing and throwing...if Roy can deal with that without being forced to match the workrate, then you'll turn out to be right and Zaggs might well lose his zero. If he can't (and I don't think he can), it'll play out pretty much like I've said.

true.....i like how you put that, this fight has a lot of variables and depending on which play out and who shows up on either side of the ring will determine the winner.

all in all tho, I CANT WAIT FOR THE FIGHT!!!! im def excited and its one im really looking forward too........may even turn out to be fight of the year if both of them come with their A game.

but i'll say this......this ones a lil too close for me to put points up on it, at least for now.

[Truth]

It depends on how judges score the fights. It seems sometimes the judges side with the one landed the harder/cleaner punches. Other times they go with aggression. I'm not Calzaghe isn't great, I believe he is. I just don't like it when people act like Jones has no chance at winning. I mean Calzaghe is great but Roy has a shot.

[Stickman]

I think Calzaghe is great but I think some paint him as kind of an infallibe figure. Hes a great 36 year old fighter, but he is not perfect. Even Ray Robinson has lost fights...

Far from infallible, just not going into the ring against someone with the answers to his abilities. Five years ago, yes, I'd pick Roy by decision, but then that isn't now, is it? He's lost a little speed, a little reaction time, but mostly his conditioning isn't what it used to be, and to be honest, I don't think Roy has ever been in the kind of shape Calzaghe has always been in. He's never slacked in training, really, I just don't think he ever spent as much time on conditioning as Zaggs does. Hell, maybe Joe comes by it naturally, I dunno.

[Truth]

I don't think I've ever heard someone question Roy's conditioning. His legs arn't there because hes older.

[Stickman]

I don't think I've ever heard someone question Roy's conditioning. His legs arn't there because hes older.

You misunderstand me. I'm not questioning his conditioning, just saying that Calzaghe's is better, I think, than Roy's ever was. There aren't many fighters in that shape, you could count them on the fingers of one hand, I think. Roy never, ever came into the ring in bad shape, just not as superbly conditioned as Zaggs. Kelly Pavlik is another one in that kind of shape, though even he, I think, falls a little short of the kind of shape Zaggs is in. There's another I can think of right away...Sam Soliman, I'm sure there are a few others, but I'm tired and my brain isn't working well right now. Anyway, that level of conditioning is one of the main reasons Calzaghe is as successful as he is.

[Truth]

You misunderstand me. I'm not questioning his conditioning, just saying that Calzaghe's is better, I think, than Roy's ever was. There aren't many fighters in that shape, you could count them on the fingers of one hand, I think. Roy never, ever came into the ring in bad shape, just not as superbly conditioned as Zaggs. Kelly Pavlik is another one in that kind of shape, though even he, I think, falls a little short of the kind of shape Zaggs is in. There's another I can think of right away...Sam Soliman, I'm sure there are a few others, but I'm tired and my brain isn't working well right now. Anyway, that level of conditioning is one of the main reasons Calzaghe is as successful as he is.

wow. I wonder what he does, do you know?

[abadger]

You misunderstand me. I'm not questioning his conditioning, just saying that Calzaghe's is better, I think, than Roy's ever was. There aren't many fighters in that shape, you could count them on the fingers of one hand, I think. Roy never, ever came into the ring in bad shape, just not as superbly conditioned as Zaggs. Kelly Pavlik is another one in that kind of shape, though even he, I think, falls a little short of the kind of shape Zaggs is in. There's another I can think of right away...Sam Soliman, I'm sure there are a few others, but I'm tired and my brain isn't working well right now. Anyway, that level of conditioning is one of the main reasons Calzaghe is as successful as he is.

I would say that I cannot imagine RJJ running up and down hills in the way that Calzaghe does. Like you say, Roy has always been in shape, but I get the impression Joe focusses on that more than anything else maybe?