What does the Roy Jones of TODAY need to do to beat Calzaghe.

[THE REED]

Your video is well put together, but it illustrates my point above...His work rate is maybe 50% of Calzaghe's. If he brought his work rate up anywhere close to Zaggs', he'll be gassed by 8, and on the canvas by 11.

Also wanted to mention....Roy is not putting the steam on his shots that he used to. Most of those lead rights he caught Tito with would've put him on his shorts had it been just a few years ago. That's part of why Roy seemed to have the steam he needed to finish that fight in good shape...he's not throwing with conviction at all, mostly. If he'd set down on some of those rights, Tito would've been gone very, very early, I think Roy is just very reluctant to expend that kind of energy because he knows he isn't in the condition he needs to be to throw heavier shots for an entire fight.

one guys throws lots of punches, which are mostly not clean noticeable punches..

the other throws not as many, but they all will be noticeable clean and effective

in madison square garden, they will favor the clean effective punches... also someone who can beat you to the punch, will tame down a high work fighter.. bernard proved that.


also as far as not throwing with conviction... he knocked tito down twice, and had a torn left bicep... if you watch the post fight interview he shows the camera his bicep, you can see the line in his arm...

[Fenom]

Your video is well put together, but it illustrates my point above...His work rate is maybe 50% of Calzaghe's. If he brought his work rate up anywhere close to Zaggs', he'll be gassed by 8, and on the canvas by 11.

Also wanted to mention....Roy is not putting the steam on his shots that he used to. Most of those lead rights he caught Tito with would've put him on his shorts had it been just a few years ago. That's part of why Roy seemed to have the steam he needed to finish that fight in good shape...he's not throwing with conviction at all, mostly. If he'd set down on some of those rights, Tito would've been gone very, very early, I think Roy is just very reluctant to expend that kind of energy because he knows he isn't in the condition he needs to be to throw heavier shots for an entire fight.

whens the last time Calzaghe ever put some conviction behind his shots?!?! he never throws with conviction.

if Calzaghe put conviction behind any of his 1200 punches he'd be gassed by the 8th and on the canvas by the 11th too!! Or he might actually KO someone for a change. Whens the last time Calzaghe knocked out 5 time world champion (like Tito)???

he couldnt take out Kessler, B-Hop, Bika, Lacy, Ashira, none of them cats.....his last registered KO was with Manfredo with the ref stepping in which we all know was BS

And besides Hopkins, none of them are a Felix Trinidad so dont give me that.

[Stickman]

whens the last time Calzaghe ever put some conviction behind his shots?!?! he never throws with conviction.

if Calzaghe put conviction behind any of his 1200 punches he'd be gassed by the 8th and on the canvas by the 11th too!! Or he might actually KO someone for a change. Whens the last time Calzaghe knocked out 5 time world champion (like Tito)???

he couldnt take out Kessler, B-Hop, Bika, Lacy, Ashira, none of them cats.....his last registered KO was with Manfredo with the ref stepping in which we all know was BS

And besides Hopkins, none of them are a Felix Trinidad so dont give me that.

He hurt Kessler with a body shot, so he evidently does put steam on his shots when he wants to...and if you think he can't punch, look at his early KO record, and if that doesn't help, look at Lacy's face, post-fight.

And Trinidad's boxing skills are mediocre at best, his chin is the same. He made a big splash in the division because he could seriously **** at that weight, and even carry it up a couple of weight classes. To insinuate that Trinidad is something special as far as skill is concerned is ludicrous. I'd pick any of those you named above to outbox Tito if they were having a pretty good day, some even on their worst day, and I'd pick Calzaghe to put Tito down within 7, and Roy should've easily done the same, could've, I think, just chose not to fight that fight. The fact that he didn't speaks volumes to me, and should to anyone else who studies the science itself and isn't biased in some way.

[Fenom]

He hurt Kessler with a body shot, so he evidently does put steam on his shots when he wants to...and if you think he can't punch, look at his early KO record, and if that doesn't help, look at Lacy's face, post-fight.

And Trinidad's boxing skills are mediocre at best, his chin is the same. He made a big splash in the division because he could seriously **** at that weight, and even carry it up a couple of weight classes. To insinuate that Trinidad is something special as far as skill is concerned is ludicrous. I'd pick any of those you named above to outbox Tito if they were having a pretty good day, some even on their worst day, and I'd pick Calzaghe to put Tito down within 7, and Roy should've easily done the same, could've, I think, just chose not to fight that fight. The fact that he didn't speaks volumes to me, and should to anyone else who studies the science itself and isn't biased in some way.

boi stooooooop

you must be talkin about a Prime Calzaghe not todays Calzaghe with all the hand problems and softer blows..........and in that case if it were a Prime Jones im sure he'd put this Tito down as well. If you think Jones can't punch your delusional.

Wow he hurt Kessler with a body shot......you dont say? and Roy puts Tito down twice and your saying theres no conviction behind his shots???

Joe hasnt knocked anyone down in his last 9 fights with the exception of Lacy in the 12th round and thats even debatable.

[Fenom]

He hurt Kessler with a body shot, so he evidently does put steam on his shots when he wants to...and if you think he can't punch, look at his early KO record, and if that doesn't help, look at Lacy's face, post-fight.

And Trinidad's boxing skills are mediocre at best, his chin is the same. He made a big splash in the division because he could seriously **** at that weight, and even carry it up a couple of weight classes. To insinuate that Trinidad is something special as far as skill is concerned is ludicrous. I'd pick any of those you named above to outbox Tito if they were having a pretty good day, some even on their worst day, and I'd pick Calzaghe to put Tito down within 7, and Roy should've easily done the same, could've, I think, just chose not to fight that fight. The fact that he didn't speaks volumes to me, and should to anyone else who studies the science itself and isn't biased in some way.

and the fact that he's a 5 time world champion.........something none of the above mentioned men have ever done is credit enough

dont play yaself

[Stickman]

boi stooooooop

you must be talkin about a Prime Calzaghe not todays Calzaghe with all the hand problems and softer blows..........and in that case if it were a Prime Jones im sure he'd put this Tito down as well. If you think Jones can't punch your delusional.

Wow he hurt Kessler with a body shot......you dont say? and Roy puts Tito down twice and your saying theres no conviction behind his shots???

Joe hasnt knocked anyone down in his last 9 fights with the exception of Lacy in the 12th round and thats even debatable.

Hey, hold on there. I never said Roy couldn't punch, I just said he hasn't been throwing with conviction, and I expect the same in the ring against Calzaghe.

And Tito is FAR smaller than Roy, and has never exactly been known for his iron jaw. You aren't really trying to compare Tito's chin with Calzaghe's, are you?

And my point about hurting Kessler with a bodyshot is that it takes more power to do body damage with one shot than it does to hurt someone with a punch to the chin.

Agreed, Calzaghe hasn't done much to make me think he's going to hurt Jones badly, but he doesn't have to hurt him bad...all he needs to do to get a stoppage is get him on the ropes, hurt him a little, and land 8 or 10 punches out of maybe 20 thrown and the ref may very well stop it. And even if that doesn't happen, Roy will be very chinny late in this fight, as he'll be gassed badly if he remains cometetive throughout, and could be very easily be KO'd, even by someone as featherfisted as you seem to think Calzaghe is.

[IMDAZED]

Hey, hold on there. I never said Roy couldn't punch, I just said he hasn't been throwing with conviction, and I expect the same in the ring against Calzaghe.

And Tito is FAR smaller than Roy, and has never exactly been known for his iron jaw. You aren't really trying to compare Tito's chin with Calzaghe's, are you?

And my point about hurting Kessler with a bodyshot is that it takes more power to do body damage with one shot than it does to hurt someone with a punch to the chin.

Agreed, Calzaghe hasn't done much to make me think he's going to hurt Jones badly, but he doesn't have to hurt him bad...all he needs to do to get a stoppage is get him on the ropes, hurt him a little, and land 8 or 10 punches out of maybe 20 thrown and the ref may very well stop it. And even if that doesn't happen, Roy will be very chinny late in this fight, as he'll be gassed badly if he remains cometetive throughout, and could be very easily be KO'd, even by someone as featherfisted as you seem to think Calzaghe is.

You and ibox4real are carrying on an excellent debate with REAL analysis.

Just to add, I don't think it's a case of Jones not throwing with conviction these days. That's been the case his whole career - but trust me, when they land they hurt. Jones was never threatened in the Tito fight and, thus, did what he did so often at 175. Went 12 rounds.

Ironically, Calzaghe is being accused of not being a big puncher either. He isn't...BUT...he can KO Jones. And he landed some good shots on Hopkins too. Roy himself said that Calzaghe slips in some powerful lefts between those slaps. He's very deceptive that way.

I think this could really be a great fight if Roy still has one last ride in the tank. He doesn't need to be the Roy of old he just needs the right gameplan and a winning mentality. But does he have that last ride?

[IMDAZED]

One more thing...Felix Trinidad has an EXCELLENT chin. Excellent. No debate needed. Stopped once in his career by a hungry Hopkins and even then he was up and ready to go, albeit not for much longer. But it took a lot of clean punches to get him there.

[Fenom]

Hey, hold on there. I never said Roy couldn't punch, I just said he hasn't been throwing with conviction, and I expect the same in the ring against Calzaghe.

And Tito is FAR smaller than Roy, and has never exactly been known for his iron jaw. You aren't really trying to compare Tito's chin with Calzaghe's, are you?

And my point about hurting Kessler with a bodyshot is that it takes more power to do body damage with one shot than it does to hurt someone with a punch to the chin.

Agreed, Calzaghe hasn't done much to make me think he's going to hurt Jones badly, but he doesn't have to hurt him bad...all he needs to do to get a stoppage is get him on the ropes, hurt him a little, and land 8 or 10 punches out of maybe 20 thrown and the ref may very well stop it. And even if that doesn't happen, Roy will be very chinny late in this fight, as he'll be gassed badly if he remains cometetive throughout, and could be very easily be KO'd, even by someone as featherfisted as you seem to think Calzaghe is.

Roy Jones
5′ 11″ 74“

Tito Trinidad
5′ 11″ 72½“

i dont see how Titos much smaller than Roy

Im not comparing Titos chin to Calzaghes at all.......im saying that Roy obviously had enough conviction behind his shots to put a 5 time world champion on his ass......twice.

also i hope your not banking on another Manfredo moment because i highly doubt the ref would do that in this fight.....especially with a world class fighter like Jones.

[abadger]

Oh for God's sake. Jones is shot. Calzaghe is going to beat him. Thats it.