Kelly Pavlik: "No Surprise if Roy Jones Beats Joe Calzaghe"

[Rkicards]

Pavlik has more change of getting KO'd against grandad than Calzaghe against roid-shot jones.

[anonymousboxing]

Calzaghe has flip flopped on the issue several times. His basic statement was that if it was a fight he could get excited for, and if he still feels young.
Recently he has said several times he still feels young, and if Kelly beats Hopkins, it steals some of Joes thunder.
If Pavlik beats Hopkins and Calzaghe beats RJJ, Calzaghe will be forced into a corner and have to fight, or look like a coward.

Yea, and It'd probably have to be a close fight with Roy to convince Cal not to retire though. The only thing that'll stop Joe from ending his career is a bad performance on his part.

Pavlic needs to concentrate on the job in hand ! And forget about Calzaghe for the minute as hes still gotta deal with Hopkins as yet!

Very true. We've seen it SO many times before. A fighter begins to focus on two steps ahead and it ends up costing him big.
I hope Pav doesn't overlook Hopkins. He could still be dangerous.

[edgarg]

Floyd Mayweather Jr. and his Legacy

For some (unknown) reason, people began discussing "Ole Fishmouth's legacy"...............I don't see any legacy, except that he retired unbeaten without one, single, top class win on his record.

Of his earlier fights, excluding Castillo 1, the less said abuot them the better. The only way to describe them is " taking money under false pretenses".

It is his last 4 fights which tell the tale-if any- of his "legacy" and not one of them was anything but a "yawnmaker".

4 fights ago he fought Zab Judah. Judah did very well for the first 4 rounds and then lost interest.

He then fought Carlos Baldomir, with 9 losses, and not much good, whose previous 2 fights had been wins againt a well washed up Arturo Gatti and an-again- disinterested Judah.

Then he fought Oscar DeLa Hoya, who fights only once a year, and is a long time past his best, whose NEXT fight, at 147 gives him a 50-50 chance against MANNY the Mighty Midget, who began boxing life at 106 lbs and has come up only a couple of monthe ago to LIGHTWEIGHT, that is 135 lbs.

His last fight was against Ricky Hatton, a goodish 140 lb champ, whose style was all wrong to beat Mayweather, who had no difficulty in avoiding his rushes and whose KO was clearly helped along by Hatton running full tilt into the ringpost, which, I believe, was what KO'd him. But he was well beaten, although it took Mayweather a loooong 10 rounds.

Not one of the above deserve to or will go into the Hall of Fame, except Oscar, maybe, not for his boxing ability, but for the amount of money he draws for his fights.

This is Mayweather's true legacy..................

[garryd]

Still following me around? LOL.

youve been smoking that ****t again aint ya!

[Brassangel]

I don't think any of this makes Calzaghe a coward. Perhaps Enzo, but not Joe. He's in the twilight of his career. He doesn't have the same zip on his punches that he had 4-5 years ago, so he just wants to make some good money before calling it quits. Whether America loves him for it or not means absolutely nothing to him. He's still got the U.K.

Now is not the time for him to be taking on the youngest and strongest bulls in the rodeo. Cal's gift was speed and punch output; the first things to go when a fighter ages. His opponent is Jones, a man who's gifts were much the same. It's low-risk for both men, and it's a "well, it's better to do it now than never" scenario for them, as they should have gone at it years ago.

His choice to not fight Pavlik does not MAKE him a coward. We don't know what's going through his head. We don't know his plan. We don't know what his family and friends are telling him. We don't know how much desire and ambition he has left in the tank. He doesn't owe us anything. He's getting old. Let him do what he wants. The man is past his prime, which increases the risk factor. That doesn't mean he's afraid, just concerned about his own health. He can't do some of the things he used to. If he does fight Pavlik, we'll probably see that when he gets hit too often. What happens then? Instead of fairly considering what could have happened were Joe still in his prime, everyone will talk about "exposed", "overrated", etc.

Now, I am well aware that the fact that Hopkins is still fighting at 43 will come up as a counter-argument, especially since he is fighting Pavlik. He's a completely different fighter, however. He relies on slick defense and creating a sloppy contest. It's the same reason why the Detroit Pistons are competitive in the NBA every year, despite having older players, or why Holmes and Foreman had longer careers than Ali (and would have, even without the illness): they don't rely on speed and agility to get the job done.

As a side note: What is everyone going to say if Calzaghe does agree to fight Pavlik? I'd love to go back through the 100's of pages of posts over the past few months and re-post them just to make dumb people eat their words. Keep in mind, I am a man who would root for Kelly to KO Joe from the opening bell.

[bsrizpac]

youve been smoking that ****t again aint ya!

How many random ass posts on this thread and others that were off topic and about some lame ass lie you and hoejack came up with ? Exactly.

Go back to telling us why Joe C would KO Hagler. LOL>

[The Gully Gad]

Pav's a right cheeky ****a of late aint he? lol
Talking dosent suit him.
The thing i liked about pav was he kept his mouth shut and done the
business in the ring.Guess he is really trying his hardest to get this joe fight

[Migs]

Personally, I'd rather see Pavlik fight Abraham first. I'd like to see him actually fight at Middleweight and defend his titles more than watch him jump all over the place right now.

[dstew]

Gotta laugh at those who really think Bernard Hopkins did nothing the first few rounds against Jermain Taylor. Do you guys watch boxing? Or do you think Taylor wore down all by himself and Hopkins suddenly remembered it was a fight? ****, how can you even give Taylor the first round?? Seriously...

Oh, so when you watch boxing you're supposed to score it for the guy who doesn't throw or land as many punches as long as the busier, more effective fighter gets more tired? Thanks for explaining that, apparently I've been doing it wrong all along.

[egreezy]

Personally, I'd rather see Pavlik fight Abraham first. I'd like to see him actually fight at Middleweight and defend his titles more than watch him jump all over the place right now.

there still time for that in latter of 2009. but so proclaimed p4p fighters that have called you out and are near retirement take precident. abraham will be around, and i feel after pavlik fight abraham will move up to smw with pavlik, taylor, kessler, miranda, froch. as middleweight will not have any names anymore.