why does kessler get so much praise here?

[msagrain]

I doubt that, especially the way Joe's fans diesrespected him on here going into the fight. Respect is fleeting in this game. Nobody gives a **** about you when you lose, they break you down when you're ontop, and they only ever give you your just do years after you're gone.

Well that how i have become to like him anyways.

[ßringer]

I would seriously like to see him against Taylor and pavlik at 168 because most of the best 168 fighter are europeans which doesnt help, If he can get any of the top american from 160-175 to meet him at 168 then that would give him the exposure that he needs in the states.

Who in your opinion is the best European opponet out there for him right now? Please don't say Carl Froch, lol. As untested on the elite level as Kessler is, Froch is that much more untested.

As for 160-175 opponets possible I think Taylor and Pavlik make the most sense from both the business and respect sides of the coin. I don't think guys like Dawson, Tarver or even Johnson would be interested in fighting him because they still have unfinished business amongst themselves.

Dawson needs to quite acting like a ***** and rematch Johnson, Tarver needs to settle the fued with Johnson (1-1), and Tarver wants Dawson himself. 175 is a ****ing mess aside from Hopkins, Calzaghe and Jones.

[ßringer]

Who is there for Pavlik to fight after Abraham? His moving up to 170 shows that there isn't really anyone, so if that makes it possible that we'll see Kessler against Taylor, Pavlik, Abraham or one of the up-and-comers.

People like Pascal, Froch and Bute are yet to beat anyone great, but there's an outside chance that one of them becomes a big name within the next year or so. I think Bute has a very entertaining style, and being based in Canada means that finding success in America is realistic possibility for him.

After that we may see him stepping to 175.

I'm not saying that he beats all those guys, but if is he good enough to do so then I think he'd get a lot of exposure.

I don't really agree with the intended point of the thread though. Some of my favourite fighters weren't that great, but so what? There's no rule saying that your favourite fighters have to be P4P quality.

You're right, Kelly's got it bad too. He already beat Taylor twice, destroyed Miranda, and ran through the top contenders of his time (Zertuche for one). After Abraham I'm not sure what happens, I hope he moves up. Especially since he wants to retire early and get out while he can. If he stays at Middleweight and fights the Lockett's of the world he will never be respected.

That's why I'm glad he's showing some balls going to 175 for Bernard, after that I think a drop to 168 would be the perfect plan for a Kessler fight.

The European opponets really can't do anything for Mikkel right now career wise. Since they have literally no global appeal, and are quite untested themselves.

Is Taylor still going to fight Lacy? I remember Lacy faked retirement because of money drama and came back a week later, so the fight is still on?

[Clegg]

You're right, Kelly's got it bad too. He already beat Taylor twice, destroyed Miranda, and ran through the top contenders of his time (Zertuche for one). After Abraham I'm not sure what happens, I hope he moves up. Especially since he wants to retire early and get out while he can. If he stays at Middleweight and fights the Lockett's of the world he will never be respected.

That's why I'm glad he's showing some balls going to 175 for Bernard, after that I think a drop to 168 would be the perfect plan for a Kessler fight.

The European opponets really can't do anything for Mikkel right now career wise. Since they have literally no global appeal, and are quite untested themselves.

Is Taylor still going to fight Lacy? I remember Lacy faked retirement because of money drama and came back a week later, so the fight is still on?

Yeah, I'm pretty certain that the fight is set in stone. I think it's the week after the Calzaghe-Jones fight.

It's a shame that Kessler-Miranda didn't happen, it would've increased his exposure in a big way, especially if he won in the same style that Abraham did.

[Ray*]

Who in your opinion is the best European opponet out there for him right now? Please don't say Carl Froch, lol. As untested on the elite level as Kessler is, Froch is that much more untested.

As for 160-175 opponets possible I think Taylor and Pavlik make the most sense from both the business and respect sides of the coin. I don't think guys like Dawson, Tarver or even Johnson would be interested in fighting him because they still have unfinished business amongst themselves.

Dawson needs to quite acting like a ***** and rematch Johnson, Tarver needs to settle the fued with Johnson (1-1), and Tarver wants Dawson himself. 175 is a ****ing mess aside from Hopkins, Calzaghe and Jones.

Well Kessler has fought most of the contender at 168 and the division doesnt really have alot of big names at the moment, Thats why Kessler can benefit from an american exposure either Pavlik or taylor should do the trick for him.

I doubt Dawson would be interested since his busy chasing tarver, Tarver is busy chasing Jones (again).

[WESS]

Because he lost to Calzaghe.

[ßringer]

Yeah, I'm pretty certain that the fight is set in stone. I think it's the week after the Calzaghe-Jones fight.

It's a shame that Kessler-Miranda didn't happen, it would've increased his exposure in a big way, especially if he won in the same style that Abraham did.

Absolutely agree. Miranda is still out there for Kessler though, he just doesn't have that massive appeal since Pavlik mopped the ring with him. But he's still a solid name that could likely benefit Mikkel's exposure. Edison is the Judah of 160-168lbs now. A recognizable name who's not much of a threat anymore.

Taylor, Pavlik, Kessler and Abraham are pretty much it for 160-168lbs. (Assuming Kelly doesn't stay at 175lbs, if he does it would be even worse.)

Hopefully in the time it takes them to fight each other, a few new names will emerge to keep **** fresh. Because after they're done with each other it's 175lbs or bust.

[BattlingNelson]

Kessler isn't seen as a legend, he is seen as one of the best prime boxers active today. It's a big difference.

Beating Mundine, Beyer, Andrade etc is part of the reason he is highly regarded, they and others were the best boxers his division had to offer, all of them were good wins over good opponents, and he amassed two world titles and notched up several defences beating them. Fighting outside of Denmark is a non-issue, he's Danish. How many Americans box outside of the US?

His match with Calzaghe was a classic, one of the best fights of recent years. His skills also are extraordinary he is technically an almost perfect orthodox boxer and is a very fast, powerful SMW. I can't think of many boxers who are 'better than him in every single way', particularly around his weight class. Pavlik works harder but is slower, Taylor has more variety but executes it less well.

He isn't my favourite fighter, but he's one of them. I think he's got the potential to be one of the very best boxers in the world.

And of course we all know that Kessler fought without the benefit of sparring because of a broken right hand.

You're right, Kelly's got it bad too. He already beat Taylor twice, destroyed Miranda, and ran through the top contenders of his time (Zertuche for one). After Abraham I'm not sure what happens, I hope he moves up. Especially since he wants to retire early and get out while he can. If he stays at Middleweight and fights the Lockett's of the world he will never be respected.

That's why I'm glad he's showing some balls going to 175 for Bernard, after that I think a drop to 168 would be the perfect plan for a Kessler fight.

The European opponets really can't do anything for Mikkel right now career wise. Since they have literally no global appeal, and are quite untested themselves.

Is Taylor still going to fight Lacy? I remember Lacy faked retirement because of money drama and came back a week later, so the fight is still on?

Pavlik will likely (IMO) only have one more meaningful fight at 160 and that's Abraham. The ruler at 168 should fight Pavlik then (IF Pavlik gets past AA that is).

The problem for Kessler is that no big name yank is willing to fight him. That's why he's trapped fighting on the euro-circuit.

[ßringer]

And of course we all know that Kessler fought without the benefit of sparring because of a broken right hand.


Pavlik will likely (IMO) only have one more meaningful fight at 160 and that's Abraham. The ruler at 168 should fight Pavlik then (IF Pavlik gets past AA that is).

The problem for Kessler is that no big name yank is willing to fight him. That's why he's trapped fighting on the euro-circuit.

You may be right with the "no big name yank is willing to fight him." comment, but he could certainly snag an American contender. He could fight someone on Friday Night Fights and get American exposure, but he'd have to be willing to take a dent in the wallet to do so. I know it's not fair, but that's how the sport is. You have to be willing to make the sacrifice in order to get the rewards.

I doubt Dawson would be interested since his busy chasing tarver, Tarver is busy chasing Jones (again).

No ****?! Tarver wants Roy for the 4th time? He's already known as the guy who made his bones off a past-prime Jones, what's he want now? The record for doing it twice?

[BattlingNelson]

You may be right with the "no big name yank is willing to fight him." comment, but he could certainly snag an American contender. He could fight someone on Friday Night Fights and get American exposure, but he'd have to be willing to take a dent in the wallet to do so. I know it's not fair, but that's how the sport is. You have to be willing to make the sacrifice in order to get the rewards.



No ****?! Tarver wants Roy for the 4th time? He's already known as the guy who made his bones off a past-prime Jones, what's he want now? The record for doing it twice?

No question that he should have taken the Miranda fight. Kessler want's to break into HBO. Of course the question is finding an opponent witha proper risk/reward ratio. Maybe Taylor?

Clegg pointed out that a move up for Pavlik is likely when the Abraham fight is over so it's going to be interesting to watch the positioning battle of the top SMW's (Kessler, Bute, Froch and Taylor) for the right to stand first in line for the Pavlik bonanza.