SRR is a coward and a fraud

[warp1432]

By 1952 Sugar Ray wasnt exactly in his prime anymore. And in those days they fought so often it would have been difficult to fight top 10s 1 after another.

NSB typical reply: "But he's fighting in that weight class so he has to fight the best challengers out there. Past his prime or not!!"

Also 1952 Ray was really only slightly past it. He was probably past it at the end of 1952. Maybe 1953 after he fought Joey Maxim.

[joseph5620]

If Robinson that fought in 1957 fought today with the same people in his weight class he'd be accused of fighting nothing, but blown up welterweights for that year. Maybe even ducking legit middleweight challengers.

edit: Also for people interested in biographies, read Tunney. I'm only 5 chapters in, but I think it's by far the most detailed biography I've read. Very good so far and everyone should probably read it.

Robinson also fought top middleweight terror Jake Lamotta while he was still just a welterweight. In one fight Robinson weighed only 144 pounds. NO fighter would do that today without a catch weight. Oscar Delahoya made Hopkins sign a contract to not weigh over 157 for their fight. And Delahoya was only moving up 6 pounds, one division. That puts things in perspective as far as what Robinson did. Nobody can ever accuse Robinson of fighting undersized fighters.

[Domain]

Man this warp cat hates Exciting fighters! lol and then he brings up this Burley cat again? SRR will murder that guy if they fought! I was not impressed with that slap glover at all...even mayorga would mess that dude up.

[warp1432]

Robinson also fought top middleweight terror Jake Lamotta while he was still just a welterweight. In one fight Robinson weighed only 144 pounds. NO fighter would do that today without a catch weight. Oscar Delahoya made Hopkins sign a contract to not weigh over 157 for their fight. And Delahoya was only moving up 6 pounds, one division. That puts things in perspective as far as what Robinson did. Nobody can ever accuse Robinson of fighting undersized fighters.

Pretty much. I also included the fact that 5'7 Carmen Basilio was able to beat Robinson weighing only 153 pounds when Robinson weighed 160. I'm saying by NSB standards that if the internet was invented in 1957 Robinson would be accused of not fighting legit middleweights. Completely ignoring the fact that Gene Fullmer beat the guy who beat Robinson in 1955.

Man this warp cat hates Exciting fighters! lol and then he brings up this Burley cat again? SRR will murder that guy if they fought! I was not impressed with that slap glover at all...even mayorga would mess that dude up.

I think Robinson-Burley would have been a toss up. Burley is very underrated by you. Oh and Burley would have ****ed Mayorga up so bad that Mayorga wouldn't talk **** ever again.

Also I think Moore, the version in 1954 and 1958, would have ****ed Robinson up. Especially in 1958. Tell me Domain, was Archie Moore a boring fighter?

By the way, my favorite past fighter is Aaron Pryor. I loved Robinson too. He has the best resume ever and I love watching him put a beating on Lamotta and a lot of other fighters. Robinson was in some dull fights too. I thought him vs Randy Turpin 2 wasn't the best.

[El Dominicano]

If Robinson that fought in 1957 fought today with the same people in his weight class he'd be accused of fighting nothing, but blown up welterweights for that year. Maybe even ducking legit middleweight challengers.

edit: Also for people interested in biographies, read Tunney. I'm only 5 chapters in, but I think it's by far the most detailed biography I've read. Very good so far and everyone should probably read it.

Are you really 15?!

[warp1432]

Are you really 15?!

Yeah I am.

[joseph5620]

[QUOTE=abadger;3943995]According to a documentary I watched, describing Robinson as an angel would be madness. Outside of the wifebeating, he was supposed to be an absolutely nightmare negotiator who would pull out of fights for the slightest reason, make crazy last minute demands and just all round pretty much ensure he had everything his own way.


In Muhammad Ali's last biography, he said Robinson was his idol. When he was getting ready to go to the Olympics, he made a trip to NY to meet Robinson, tell him about his future, and ask Robinson to manage him one day. To make a long story short, the young Ali (Then Clay) caught up with Robinson leaving one of his nightclubs and said," Hi Mr Robinson I'm Cassius Clay. I'm going to win the gold medal and I came all the way from Louisville....Robinson cut him off and said,"that's nice kid", and walked right by him. Ali said after that he vowed to never treat any of his own fans like than no matter how famous he would become.

[warp1432]

Robinson has a different side to that story. He said they chatted for hours and he liked Ali even though he was very brash.

Ali and Robinson almost got in a fight once. When Ali had trouble with his first wife they were at a party at Ray's and Ali got mad at his wife for having her dress be to short. He took her in the bathroom where they shouted at each other trying to rip the dress off her or something. Ray broke into to the bathroom and Ali shouted at him saying that if he didn't live him and his wife alone he'd sock Robinson in the face. Robinson backed down.

There's a whole chapter about Ali in Pound for Pound.

[joseph5620]

Robinson has a different side to that story. He said they chatted for hours and he liked Ali even though he was very brash.

Ali and Robinson almost got in a fight once. When Ali had trouble with his first wife they were at a party at Ray's and Ali got mad at his wife for having her dress be to short. He took her in the bathroom where they shouted at each other trying to rip the dress off her or something. Ray broke into to the bathroom and Ali shouted at him saying that if he didn't live him and his wife alone he'd sock Robinson in the face. Robinson backed down.

There's a whole chapter about Ali in Pound for Pound.

Yeah I read that years ago(about Ali's wife) in Ali's bio" the greatest". Ali was a ****** and they did not believe a woman should dress in such a provocative way. That was his first wife Sonji who refused to convert to the Islamic ways which led to their divorce. As for as the other situation, I tend to believe Ali since he was a complete unknown at the time and Robinson was not known to be friendly to people he didn't know. Robinson was not the type to "chat for hours" with somebody off the street that he didnt know.

[BennyST]

The most important thing was he fought all the number one contenders in each division. He didn't have to fight every single guy ranked in the top ten because by the time he gets to number one and the other guy gets to the number one contender spot they've probably beaten the majority of them already, so once he beats the number two guy, that's about it.