SRR is a coward and a fraud

[warp1432]

Ok no not really, but I read a lot on here about how he ducked no one and fought everyone.

Let's look at the top fighters when he was was champion at middleweight.

Here are the ratings for the end of 1951 rolling on into 1952:

Sugar Ray Robinson, Champion

Randy Turpin
Dave Sands
Laurent Dauthuille
Eugene Hairston
Rocky Castellani
Ernie Durando
Walter Cartier
Ronnie Delaney
Robert Villemain
Rocky Graziano

Robinson also fought #3 ranked middleweight by the end of 1952 and future middleweight champion Bobo Olson. Did Robinson duck all these other fighters he didn't fight. I'm sure all these guys called him out. Oh and he also fought Castellani in 1955 and looked awful in it.

Fast foward 3 years and he KOs Bobo Olson twice. Here are the ratings for 1955:

Sugar Ray Robinson, Champion

Carl (Bobo) Olson
Charles Humez
Eduardo Lausse
Milo Savage
Rocky Castellani
Holly Mims
Gene Fullmer
Bobby Boyd
Ralph Jones
Artie Towne

Robinson defends against top contender Olson, but that's it. You'd think after KOing him twice and winning by a decision they'd stop fighting and he'd fight someone else rated in the top 10, but I guess not.

Sugar Ray Robinson, Champion 1956 ratings

Gene Fullmer
Charles Humez
Ralph Jones
Ellsworth (Spider) Webb
Rory Calhoun
Joey Giardello
Joey Giambra
Neal Rivers
Chebo Hernandez
Charley Joseph

Robinson in 1957 fought Fullmer twice and then coming up in weight (hmmm....) champ Basilio. Robinson lost to Basilio. Fun fact for that fight. Basilio weighed only 153 pounds for it too.

So by these lists it's obvious that Robinson didn't fight everyone like people make it out to be. Robinson has the best resume of all time, but he didn't fight everyone. **** you could even say he ducked two fighters. Maybe more, but here are the two:

Charley Burley:
-Robinson ducked Burley quite a few times. They shared some cards together and when Ray was asked about him at ringside Ray responded "I'm to pretty to fight Charley Burley" They were also scheduled to fight in what I think was 1950, but Robinson pulled out saying there wasn't enough money in it

Archie Moore:
-In Robinson's biography, Robinson invites Moore over to his house to discuss plans for him to move up to fight him in 1954 and then Ray decided that was a bad idea after soon seeing Moore demolish Maxim. Robinson also thought about fighting him in 1958 and I think they were in negotiations, but after Robinson saw him destroy Durelle he thought that was a very bad idea.

So....Not discrediting Robinson as he has the best resume ever, but he wasn't the angel and fought all challengers people make him out to be.

[Spiegelo]

He was afraid of black fighters! He is a *****! Just like margarita and fish net oscar and mr dentist mosley and pretty girl floyd and ...

[abadger]

According to a documentary I watched, describing Robinson as an angel would be madness. Outside of the wifebeating, he was supposed to be an absolutely nightmare negotiator who would pull out of fights for the slightest reason, make crazy last minute demands and just all round pretty much ensure he had everything his own way.

Apparently one time, the mob tried to force him to fix a fight, not take a dive or anything, just carry his opponent. He just said "that's not the way I do business" to the mob! He got away with it though.

[unbanxcaret]

From Ray Robinson to Floyd Mayweather... ya dig.

[warp1432]

According to a documentary I watched, describing Robinson as an angel would be madness. Outside of the wifebeating, he was supposed to be an absolutely nightmare negotiator who would pull out of fights for the slightest reason, make crazy last minute demands and just all round pretty much ensure he had everything his own way.

Apparently one time, the mob tried to force him to fix a fight, not take a dive or anything, just carry his opponent. He just said "that's not the way I do business" to the mob! He got away with it though.

Yeah he was a real son of a ***** to negotiate with. If you have time read his biography by Herb Boyd called Pound for Pound. It's an ok book that tries to make him seem like the victim, but it goes into his dark side and it's an interesting read.

Apperently they robbed him in the 3rd Fullmer bout because he was such a ***** to negotiate with.

[ИATAS]

Apparently one time, the mob tried to force him to fix a fight, not take a dive or anything, just carry his opponent. He just said "that's not the way I do business" to the mob! He got away with it though.

thats tight **** right there

[abadger]

Yeah he was a real son of a ***** to negotiate with. If you have time read his biography by Herb Boyd called Pound for Pound. It's an ok book that tries to make him seem like the victim, but it goes into his dark side and it's an interesting read.

Apperently they robbed him in the 3rd Fullmer bout because he was such a ***** to negotiate with.

Cheers I will very likely check that out.

[Pico Hollywood]

ima check that book out...

[warp1432]

If Robinson that fought in 1957 fought today with the same people in his weight class he'd be accused of fighting nothing, but blown up welterweights for that year. Maybe even ducking legit middleweight challengers.

edit: Also for people interested in biographies, read Tunney. I'm only 5 chapters in, but I think it's by far the most detailed biography I've read. Very good so far and everyone should probably read it.

[shadeyfizzle]

By 1952 Sugar Ray wasnt exactly in his prime anymore. And in those days they fought so often it would have been difficult to fight top 10s 1 after another.