b-hop vs calslappy fair decision? or not?

[fightnews55]

Looks like the poll is all even. Believe me, Nut suckers like Abadger, Ricky, and "the***" krissiver ave 20 accounts a piece for polls like this.

[abadger]

Looks like the poll is all even. Believe me, Nut suckers like Abadger, Ricky, and "the***" krissiver ave 20 accounts a piece for polls like this.

I have one account. Are you delusional? You take the view that in order for the majority of people to believe Calzaghe won that fight and square, Calzaghe fans would have to cheat?

[WESS]

Indeed, this is quite bizarre. Would anyone argue that Hopkins 'looked good' in that fight?

I was referring to how "EVERYONE" likes to say "HOP makes EVERYONE look bad/ugly". It had nothing to do with who looked good here and who looked good there. Because in fact the FIGHT was just darn boring. I'm not the one that uses the term "UGLY". Everyone else has and i'm clarifying that HOP made Joe look UGLIER than any other fighter. So this is why some people MIGHT believe HOP won. Due to the FACT that JOE couldn't use his swing wild method. He never got anything off. He said so himself. HOP spoiled his boxing.

Kay to the Jizzel: if you like figure skating that's cool too..... I'll stick with the half pipes and rails. If you down with ice and tights that's all you. Lets keep to boxing shall we.

[Clegg]

No in his younger days he landed more effective light shots but still had the swing all out style but actually landed. Like the Kessler fight he landed perfect light shots that IN FACT won him the fight. I am still mad at that fight because i had expected so much more from Kessler. Seeing Kessler's performance with joe is the reason why I say PAVLIK would beat him. Joe was most effective against Kessler and was wild in the LACY fight but dominated with flurries. Just the fact that HOP stopped Joe from this was almost a victory in its own. HOP did exactly what he said he would do. "Stop Joe from fighting". Hop landed the clean/powerful clear shots and held every chance to "SPOIL" Joe's boxing, JUST as Joe did to Kessler. (not holding just spoiling his boxing).

So the point was HOP made Joe look amateurish and the SD is fair to give to Joe but it was nothing to even brag about as some do. Its almost like you cant even look at Joe's performance against HOP to factor in on the Jones fight because joe looked so bad. I know some say "but but but HOP makes EVERYONE look bad" I don't think HOP made anyone ever look as bad as Joe Calzaghe, reason because Joe uses the wild swing and pray to hit something method that never happened. HOP spoiled Joe and maybe even exposed his weakness. Roy will be the one to answer.

Anyway, what you said was

Joe swung his arms as fast as he could praying to touch HOP to score his OLYMPIC style WIN as always

and I am questioning the bolded. In what other fights did Calzaghe score an "Olympic style win"?

[WESS]

Anyway, what you said was


and I am questioning the bolded. In what other fights did Calzaghe score an "Olympic style win"?

The first line EXPLAINED what I was referring too. His "younger days" I explain he used this style YET was more effective than now. SO its an AS ALWAYS METHOD he just isn't as accurate now days. Hop proved this to a degree. No need to go and LIST names, its a general statement of how his style is no matter WHO he fights. To sum it up his style was STOPPED by HOP.

OVERALL point, this is WHY some people might believe HOP won. Because JOE could not USE this STYLE. He never got off in the fight. Hop's plan was just short of a victory due to the amount of times Joe swung his hands wildly compared to HOPS hit and hold method.

I'm not DOWN talking Joe. I'm actually defending his SD by opposing a theory why people might believe HOP won. No way could he have won but a draw is arguable, a SD is fair and IMO the out come was about just about right..... that is all.

[abadger]

The first line EXPLAINED what I was referring too. His "younger days" I explain he used this style YET was more effective than now. SO its an AS ALWAYS METHOD he just isn't as accurate now days. Hop proved this to a degree. No need to go and LIST names, its a general statement of how his style is no matter WHO he fights. To sum it up his style was STOPPED by HOP.

OVERALL point, this is WHY some people might believe HOP won. Because JOE could not USE this STYLE. He never got off in the fight. Hop's plan was just short of a victory due to the amount of times Joe swung his hands wildly compared to HOPS hit and hold method.

I'm not DOWN talking Joe. I'm actually defending his SD by opposing a theory why people might believe HOP won. No way could he have won but a draw is arguable, a SD is fair and IMO the out come was about just about right..... that is all.

You are quite right that Hopkins stopped Calzaghe's usual style. The problem was that Calzaghe stopped Hopkins even more effectively. Hopkins was so busy shutting down Joe's flurries that he never had the opportunity to launch enough of those countering rights and short punches on the way in that he likes to use.

[Stickman]

The first line EXPLAINED what I was referring too. His "younger days" I explain he used this style YET was more effective than now. SO its an AS ALWAYS METHOD he just isn't as accurate now days. Hop proved this to a degree. No need to go and LIST names, its a general statement of how his style is no matter WHO he fights. To sum it up his style was STOPPED by HOP.

OVERALL point, this is WHY some people might believe HOP won. Because JOE could not USE this STYLE. He never got off in the fight. Hop's plan was just short of a victory due to the amount of times Joe swung his hands wildly compared to HOPS hit and hold method.

I'm not DOWN talking Joe. I'm actually defending his SD by opposing a theory why people might believe HOP won. No way could he have won but a draw is arguable, a SD is fair and IMO the out come was about just about right..... that is all.

In reference to your remark which I've emboldened.....the vast majority of Calzaghe's earlier fights ended in KO or TKO. That fact doesn't really agree with your opinion. I understand your agreeing with the split decision win (though in my own opinion it was a lopsided Calzaghe win, but then I hate cheaters and clinchers; Hopkins is blatantly both), I'm just saying that Calzaghe was never exactly a light puncher, especially early in his career. Ask Lacy if he still thinks Joe is a slapping puncher. Jeff was as strong as a bull, had never even been close to going down in his career before, and was literally beaten down by someone he thought was feather fisted.

[abadger]

In reference to your remark which I've emboldened.....the vast majority of Calzaghe's earlier fights ended in KO or TKO. That fact doesn't really agree with your opinion. I understand your agreeing with the split decision win (though in my own opinion it was a lopsided Calzaghe win, but then I hate cheaters and clinchers; Hopkins is blatantly both), I'm just saying that Calzaghe was never exactly a light puncher, especially early in his career. Ask Lacy if he still thinks Joe is a slapping puncher. Jeff was as strong as a bull, had never even been close to going down in his career before, and was literally beaten down by someone he thought was feather fisted.

I'm sure you know this already, but I'd say the two fights of Calzaghe's career that looked most like Hopkins are Karbary Salem and Sakio Bika. No coincidence, they were both right handed spoilers with a tendency to lead with the head. In the early rounds of both, Calzaghe looked quite like he did against Hopkins, only much more dominant. The difference was that neither was as good as Hopkins so Joe was able to back off and box them, which he couldn't do against Hopkins, so even these two were hardly the 'olympic style wins' that WESS is talking about.

Would you agree that against the opponents he failed to KO, Joe usually won by outboxing them and overwhelming them with a large variety of extremely accurate punches? There are exceptions, but this was his method IMO.

[garryd]

I'm sure you know this already, but I'd say the two fights of Calzaghe's career that looked most like Hopkins are Karbary Salem and Sakio Bika. No coincidence, they were both right handed spoilers with a tendency to lead with the head. In the early rounds of both, Calzaghe looked quite like he did against Hopkins, only much more dominant. The difference was that neither was as good as Hopkins so Joe was able to back off and box them, which he couldn't do against Hopkins, so even these two were hardly the 'olympic style wins' that WESS is talking about.

Would you agree that against the opponents he failed to KO, Joe usually won by outboxing them and overwhelming them with a large variety of extremely accurate punches? There are exceptions, but this was his method IMO.

ttt.........

[WESS]

You are quite right that Hopkins stopped Calzaghe's usual style. The problem was that Calzaghe stopped Hopkins even more effectively. Hopkins was so busy shutting down Joe's flurries that he never had the opportunity to launch enough of those countering rights and short punches on the way in that he likes to use.

Damn we agree on a Joe calzaghe thread? Mark that one down in the books. lol

Yes I think if HOP was much too old to do so (not an accuse) but if he was younger he might have been more effective at doing both, who knows.

This will be entirely different fight come November which is why I say you cant even look at Joe's performance against HOP because it was just to "ugly" (as people refer to the fight). So I look at the Kessler fight, the only thing I question about that is, Has joe got older sense then? Will his wrists come into factor at a high output rate? Is his endurance the same as it was with Kessler? Its questions that can not be answered in the HOP fight. So IMO its almost like a guessing game or at least to me it is. We all have a better idea of what to expect from Roy than Joe according to there last fights.

I'm still in shock we agreed on something.....