b-hop vs calslappy fair decision? or not?

[Clegg]

Joe swung his arms as fast as he could praying to touch HOP to score his OLYMPIC style WIN as always.

As always? In what other Calzaghe fights has he won a decision by fighting in the way you describe?

[WESS]

As always? In what other Calzaghe fights has he won a decision by fighting in the way you describe?

Are you serious? He is the most "punch" challenged boxer of the sport today. Yes I know some will say its because of his wrists and hands and fingers etc etc.. Its worked/works for him, but this is all he did against HOP which IMO didn't make him the winner just the guy that out touched him by a children's game called "TAG". HOPS's defense alone stopped his wild touches that EVERYONE loves to count as points. Yes the SD is right but its NOTHING like everyone makes it out to be. That's all I'm getting at.

The "AS ALWAYS", is referring to Joe Calzaghe's style of lets swing as many times as I can to get the 12 round decision. MORE SO in the last 4 or 5 years. He only KO'ed half ass boxers early on in his career. He did "BOX" better when young BUT still had the SWING really fast and hope to hit something method going. When he's in with anyone decent he swings WILDLY (amateurish) to get the 12 round decision. I will agree and say back when Joe was peaked and prime he fought the young undefeated aka unchallenged Jeff Lacy, and was swinging for a HOME RUN that only made it to the fence for a good/BEST WIN OF HIS CAREER - UD. Joe has never been known as a "KO puncher". You know this......

[Clegg]

Are you serious? He is the most "punch" challenged boxer of the sport today. Yes I know some will say its because of his wrists and hands and fingers etc etc.. Its worked/works for him, but this is all he did against HOP which IMO didn't make him the winner just the guy that out touched him by a children's game called "TAG". HOPS's defense alone stopped his wild touches that EVERYONE loves to count as points. Yes the SD is right but its NOTHING like everyone makes it out to be. That's all I'm getting at.

The "AS ALWAYS", is referring to Joe Calzaghe's style of lets swing as many times as I can to get the 12 round decision. MORE SO in the last 4 or 5 years. He only KO'ed half ass boxers early on in his career. He did "BOX" better when young BUT still had the SWING really fast and hope to hit something method going. When he's in with anyone decent he swings WILDLY (amateurish) to get the 12 round decision. I will agree and say back when Joe was peaked and prime he fought the young undefeated aka unchallenged Jeff Lacy, and was swinging for a HOME RUN that only made it to the fence for a good/BEST WIN OF HIS CAREER - UD. Joe has never been known as a "KO puncher". You know this......

What I took from your post is that you thought that Calzaghe always beat people by landing lighter, ineffective shots, while the opponent landed cleaner, harder shots, but Calzaghe won due to the judges scoring "Olympic style".

If that isn't what you meant then never mind, but if it is then I am asking what other fights it has happened in.

Against Lacy and Kessler he landed more clean, effective punches then they did. Ditto for his fights all his other fights before taking on Hopkins IMO.

[WESS]

What I took from your post is that you thought that Calzaghe always beat people by landing lighter, ineffective shots, while the opponent landed cleaner, harder shots, but Calzaghe won due to the judges scoring "Olympic style".

If that isn't what you meant then never mind, but if it is then I am asking what other fights it has happened in.

Against Lacy and Kessler he landed more clean, effective punches then they did. Ditto for his fights all his other fights before taking on Hopkins IMO.

No in his younger days he landed more effective light shots but still had the swing all out style but actually landed. Like the Kessler fight he landed perfect light shots that IN FACT won him the fight. I am still mad at that fight because i had expected so much more from Kessler. Seeing Kessler's performance with joe is the reason why I say PAVLIK would beat him. Joe was most effective against Kessler and was wild in the LACY fight but dominated with flurries. Just the fact that HOP stopped Joe from this was almost a victory in its own. HOP did exactly what he said he would do. "Stop Joe from fighting". Hop landed the clean/powerful clear shots and held every chance to "SPOIL" Joe's boxing, JUST as Joe did to Kessler. (not holding just spoiling his boxing).

So the point was HOP made Joe look amateurish and the SD is fair to give to Joe but it was nothing to even brag about as some do. Its almost like you cant even look at Joe's performance against HOP to factor in on the Jones fight because joe looked so bad. I know some say "but but but HOP makes EVERYONE look bad" I don't think HOP made anyone ever look as bad as Joe Calzaghe, reason because Joe uses the wild swing and pray to hit something method that never happened. HOP spoiled Joe and maybe even exposed his weakness. Roy will be the one to answer.

[Stickman]

Are you serious? He is the most "punch" challenged boxer of the sport today. Yes I know some will say its because of his wrists and hands and fingers etc etc.. Its worked/works for him, but this is all he did against HOP which IMO didn't make him the winner just the guy that out touched him by a children's game called "TAG". HOPS's defense alone stopped his wild touches that EVERYONE loves to count as points. Yes the SD is right but its NOTHING like everyone makes it out to be. That's all I'm getting at.

The "AS ALWAYS", is referring to Joe Calzaghe's style of lets swing as many times as I can to get the 12 round decision. MORE SO in the last 4 or 5 years. He only KO'ed half ass boxers early on in his career. He did "BOX" better when young BUT still had the SWING really fast and hope to hit something method going. When he's in with anyone decent he swings WILDLY (amateurish) to get the 12 round decision. I will agree and say back when Joe was peaked and prime he fought the young undefeated aka unchallenged Jeff Lacy, and was swinging for a HOME RUN that only made it to the fence for a good/BEST WIN OF HIS CAREER - UD. Joe has never been known as a "KO puncher". You know this......

Hopkins is and always has been one of the dirtiest fighters in the sport (opportunistically), and any time he's fighting someone his own size, he doesn't fight, he throws/grabs/throws/grabs/headbutts/throws/grabs. The Calzaghe fight was no different, and what made Hopkins look even worse (than usual) to me was the crybaby bull**** later on to get a badly needed rest. I've watched the fight twice (and that's it, can't stand to watch it again) and I have a hard time giving Hopkins more than 3 rounds, including the 1st. He simply does NOT THROW ENOUGH TO WIN THE FIGHT. That's sort of like trying to give him rounds because, even though he didn't throw, he looked good clinching. Or maybe people are counting headbutts as punches, I don't know. Calzaghe won, Hopkins lost (and should retire, PLEASE GOD) and that's that.

[Ryn0]

yahoo: hopkins
espn: hopkins
even bbc: hopkins

hopkins shouldve thrown more late but that was a terrible decision.....one thing i will give joe credit for that most fighters dont know how to do is adjusting and knowing that all he had to do to trick the judges into thinking he was landing shots was speed up the pace

everybody that thinks joe won is either a) from europe or b) offended by what hopkins said

HBO scored it something like 8-4 Calzaghe, Setanta has it close but Calzaghe winning most publications had Calzaghe winning.

[WESS]

Hopkins is and always has been one of the dirtiest fighters in the sport (opportunistically), and any time he's fighting someone his own size, he doesn't fight, he throws/grabs/throws/grabs/headbutts/throws/grabs. The Calzaghe fight was no different, and what made Hopkins look even worse (than usual) to me was the crybaby bull**** later on to get a badly needed rest. I've watched the fight twice (and that's it, can't stand to watch it again) and I have a hard time giving Hopkins more than 3 rounds, including the 1st. He simply does NOT THROW ENOUGH TO WIN THE FIGHT. That's sort of like trying to give him rounds because, even though he didn't throw, he looked good clinching. Or maybe people are counting headbutts as punches, I don't know. Calzaghe won, Hopkins lost (and should retire, PLEASE GOD) and that's that.

Yes I wish Hopkins would retire. He did his time. He still is an amazing athlete with out a doubt. I never cared for his style just respected it. What you say is true BUT again, this was HOPS plan to "SPOIL" Joe. When someone uses the swing and hope to hit something method while having an a amazing stamina, what HOP did is exactly what needed to be done. Hop just needed to throw about 10% more punches and it would have been easily a draw. Yes Joe threw more punches BUT i'm a person that looks at accuracy, clean, clear and precise punches. I had Joe barley landing enough to win, JUST barley.

So like I said a SD is fair. But as stated it was a game of tag with Joe Calzaghe landing the last touch. I still don't see HOP tired in the fight. I think IF anything he was trying to get a POINT not a BREAK, but a POINT deducted from Calzaghe. That's my theory. A break? If you believe that, it just means you haven't watched enough B-HOP fights. Then again I don't blame you. Hop wasn't doing much to be tired. Calzaghe wasn't doing much to tire him. The fight in general wasn't doing much.... Either way you look at it, it was ugly. Hop looked normal Joe looked degusting. That was HOPS plan, he just couldn't deliver the punches to win.

[abadger]

Are you serious? He is the most "punch" challenged boxer of the sport today. Yes I know some will say its because of his wrists and hands and fingers etc etc.. Its worked/works for him, but this is all he did against HOP which IMO didn't make him the winner just the guy that out touched him by a children's game called "TAG". HOPS's defense alone stopped his wild touches that EVERYONE loves to count as points. Yes the SD is right but its NOTHING like everyone makes it out to be. That's all I'm getting at.

The "AS ALWAYS", is referring to Joe Calzaghe's style of lets swing as many times as I can to get the 12 round decision. MORE SO in the last 4 or 5 years. He only KO'ed half ass boxers early on in his career. He did "BOX" better when young BUT still had the SWING really fast and hope to hit something method going. When he's in with anyone decent he swings WILDLY (amateurish) to get the 12 round decision. I will agree and say back when Joe was peaked and prime he fought the young undefeated aka unchallenged Jeff Lacy, and was swinging for a HOME RUN that only made it to the fence for a good/BEST WIN OF HIS CAREER - UD. Joe has never been known as a "KO puncher". You know this......

In most fights in his career Calzaghe has been an exceptionally accurate puncher. Exceptions are Hopkins, Lacy, and if memory serves me correctly, Charles Brewer, Sakio Bika and Karbary Salem.

[kayjay]

That was HOPS plan, he just couldn't deliver the punches to win.

He couldn't deliver enough punches?? Isn't that what it's all about??

And you are concerned with what they "looked" like??


You should be following figure skating. That's about looking good. Boxing is about punching other people, not about looking like you have a good style.

[abadger]

He couldn't deliver enough punches?? Isn't that what it's all about??

And you are concerned with what they "looked" like??


You should be following figure skating. That's about looking good. Boxing is about punching other people, not about looking like you have a good style.

Indeed, this is quite bizarre. Would anyone argue that Hopkins 'looked good' in that fight?