Who the better boxer: Cotto vs. Kessler

[Silencers]

Cotto is not that strong fighting going backwards, he's good at fighting when he's moving side to side though.

And Kessler has the better jab.

[Flawless.]

Kessler flaws were exposed by Calzaghe a very good quality opponent. If he would step up his opposition’s levels we would see more of his flaws. Cotto is easily the better boxer.

[dstew]

As I asked you in the other thread, if Cotto is such a talanted boxer, how come he lost to one of the slowest and most predictable fighters in elite boxing today? If his talent is all that good, surely he should have been able to outbox him?

Cotto DID outbox Margarito. Did you even watch the fight?

Margarito didn't win on boxing skill, he won on a superior chin, brute force, and determination. But from a boxing standpoint, he was getting schooled through much of the fight.

[MJ406]

I voted Kessler, IMO because of his movement and said already but Mikkel's textbook style is by the book.

again personal opinion, but in some fights (Gomez, Margarito) it just looks like Cotto moves a bit too much for no real reason ... although can't really blame him for it vs Margarito


and both boxers respectively have a solid jab.

[Kesslerfan#1]

Cotto has more speed than Kessler being a WW but Kessler has a great jab and reach and punches like a Terminator!!!
Its pretty hard to compare the two really at such different weight and height but on schooled boxing ability you have to give it to Cotto.
Kessler is yet to be under huge pressure also from a big big puncher so time will tell if he has a tough chin in my opinion...hes just stock standard like Cotto in my opinion chin wise...people are to hard on Cotto's chin for sure...shows hes not superman...as a big fan of his I never said he was and the same goes with Kessler...if he lands a top five quality opponent who can tag him like Marg did Cotto then he could drop just as easy.

[abadger]

Cotto DID outbox Margarito. Did you even watch the fight?

Margarito didn't win on boxing skill, he won on a superior chin, brute force, and determination. But from a boxing standpoint, he was getting schooled through much of the fight.

No, he didn't. For a while he did, sure, but ultimately did not have the boxing talent to stay away from Margarito. I do see what you are saying of course, Cotto is a better boxer than Marg, but if you wind up beaten like that, you didn't outbox your opponent.

[ALT-Assassin]

Cotto has more speed than Kessler being a WW but Kessler has a great jab and reach and punches like a Terminator!!!
Its pretty hard to compare the two really at such different weight and height but on schooled boxing ability you have to give it to Cotto.
Kessler is yet to be under huge pressure also from a big big puncher so time will tell if he has a tough chin in my opinion...hes just stock standard like Cotto in my opinion chin wise...people are to hard on Cotto's chin for sure...shows hes not superman...as a big fan of his I never said he was and the same goes with Kessler...if he lands a top five quality opponent who can tag him like Marg did Cotto then he could drop just as easy.

If Kesslers#1 fan says Cotto is the better boxer than all other opinions are meaningless

[dstew]

No, he didn't. For a while he did, sure, but ultimately did not have the boxing talent to stay away from Margarito. I do see what you are saying of course, Cotto is a better boxer than Marg, but if you wind up beaten like that, you didn't outbox your opponent.

You are not even consistent within the same thread, seeing as how in the post above you state your view that greater boxing talent does not always mean you can outbox someone, while in the post below you insinuate that boxing talent is directly related to being able to outbox someone.

As I asked you in the other thread, if Cotto is such a talanted boxer, how come he lost to one of the slowest and most predictable fighters in elite boxing today? If his talent is all that good, surely he should have been able to outbox him?

You've basically admitted that Cotto is a better boxer than Margarito, but did not outbox him, and since he was not able to outbox him, he is not a talented boxer. So you are either contradicting the **** out of yourself or completely insulting, and thereby underestimating Margarito's boxing skills.

So, honestly, do you think Joe Calzaghe is a better boxer than Mikkel Kessler? Remember, your standards for being a better boxer include the following:

Mikkel Kessler is one of the best orthodox boxers I've ever seen in my life. He is powerful, fast and rarely makes a technical mistake.

...because Calzaghe sure outboxed him... but I would hardly call Joe powerful, orthodox, or technically sound. OTOH he's fast, smart, has excellent movement and tons of stamina.

[abadger]

You are not even consistent within the same thread, seeing as how in the post above you state your view that greater boxing talent does not always mean you can outbox someone, while in the post below you insinuate that boxing talent is directly related to being able to outbox someone.


You've basically admitted that Cotto is a better boxer than Margarito, but did not outbox him, and since he was not able to outbox him, he is not a talented boxer. So you are either contradicting the **** out of yourself or completely insulting, and thereby underestimating Margarito's boxing skills.

So, honestly, do you think Joe Calzaghe is a better boxer than Mikkel Kessler? Remember, your standards for being a better boxer include the following:



...because Calzaghe sure outboxed him... but I would hardly call Joe powerful, orthodox, or technically sound. OTOH he's fast, smart, has excellent movement and tons of stamina.

What? I don't understand why you are trying to pin me down as though this were an academic essay. I'm not trying to compete with you, just chat boxing.

Anyway, of course Cotto is a better technical boxer than Marg is, most people are, so obviously he demonstrated better boxing skills in the fight. However, to 'outbox' your opponent that usually means that your 'boxing' skills are good enough to negate whatever it is your opponent has. In this case that didn't happen, Cotto's boxing skills were ultimately not good enough to keep away from Margs assault, so at the end of the day you can't say he outboxed him, he lost. Think of Mayweather fighting Marg and not getting hit all night, that would be outboxing someone, were it to happen. Cotto is a better technical boxer than Marg, but nowhere near as good as Mayweather, and my own personal view is that he's really just an OK one, more of a brawler really.

As for Kessler and Calzaghe, Calzaghe is the better boxer. Basically the way you described them is right, but there are different styles of boxing and Calzaghe is even better at what he does than Kessler is at his game. Kessler is undoubtedly more textbook, but Calzaghe is leagues ahead in terms of movement, the way he manages distance, the sheer variety of punches and angles from which he throws them. He's actually a lot more open than Kessler is defensively, but the rest of his game so far has always compensated for that. You have to remember, styles make fights and an ultra orthodox boxer like Kessler, no matter how talented, is always going to struggle against someone like Calzaghe.

[Flawless.]

Amazing how they make out Kessler to be this boxing legend or great. Talking about his boxing ability and how he is a ultra orthodox boxer