Who the better boxer: Cotto vs. Kessler

[abadger]

**** that man... nationalism is so overrated.

I'm a white kid (I guess I'm not a kid anymore... I'm 21) from midwest US.

My favorite fighters are:
Winky Wright - a black dude from Florida, half a country away.
Juan Manuel Lopez - Puerto Rican.
Erik Morales - Mexican.

I mean, really... I don't have any reason to cheer for any of those guys, but... all of them intrigued me in one way or another, so... that is why I can consider them my favorites!

You like Juanma Lopez huh? Can't help but be impressed by what he did to DeLeon, but i'm waiting to see more.

Mine are:

Calzaghe
Kessler
Margarito
Pacquiao

I was cheering like **** when Marg beat Cotto, i really didn't think he could, which made victory all the sweeter.

[Ray*]

Kessler is definitely a better boxer than Cotto and am saying this without looking at cotto's recent loss to Margarito, Cotto has alot of exposure/hype towards him because of the american media/HBO but if you dissect their boxing abilities and see how they both box then Kessler has the extra factor something Cotto lacks.

[tyson]

I'm sure we will see a huge majority in favour of Cotto. It doesn't concern me and I have no problem holding a minority opinion.

As I asked you in the other thread, if Cotto is such a talanted boxer, how come he lost to one of the slowest and most predictable fighters in elite boxing today? If his talent is all that good, surely he should have been able to outbox him?

Cotto did outbox Margarito.

Kessler is a good textbook boxer, but that doesn't make him the better fighter.
He is predictable and robotic and lacks the combination punching of Cotto.

Not to mention the bodywork.

Cotto is far more likely to mess up his opponent, which to my standards means he is the more dangerous fighter.

[abadger]

Cotto did outbox Margarito.

Kessler is a good textbook boxer, but that doesn't make him the better fighter.
He is predictable and robotic and lacks the combination punching of Cotto.

Not to mention the bodywork.

Cotto is far more likely to mess up his opponent, which to my standards means he is the more dangerous fighter.

I thought you hated Cotto?

I had this conversation with someone else actually, but yes Cotto boxed better than Margarito (who doesn't) but what I meant was that if he were in fact the awesome boxer some think then surely the extremely limited Margarito should never have been able to catch up with him enough to break him down? He didn't outbox him well enough to win.

On Kessler, I think he's far and away better than Cotto. He's faster, more mobile and really isn't very robotic at all, he also has better defence and is harder to hit. His biggest flaw is his orthodoxy and lack of plan B though for sure. I like Cotto as a destroyer, he has awesome hooks to the body and does throw good combinations, but I don't think he's that good really.

I did think he was the best WW and would beat Marg though, but still would rate Kessler above him. I really rate him very highly.

[Clegg]

Haha. I remember that.

I've actually spent quite a bit of time explaining that really there is no need to be made angry by 'opposing' fans, and that its not actually us who are in competition, but do I get anywhere? Do I ****.

Good luck with the RAF though mate, although try not to get blown up or involved in any friendly fire incidents or anything like that.

Oh yeah, that Romero film poster you had in your avvy, "Martin" is it a good film? I was going to download it specifically after seeing it there, as I'd never heard of it before.

Yeah it's one of my favourites. I won't say too much about it because there are several ways that you can interpret the film and I wouldn't want to influence how you do so, but it'd be cool to discuss after you've seen it and see if we held similar views.

A lot of people look at Dawn Of The Dead as a social commentary on American consumerism, and Night Of The Living Dead as being about the change in 1960s America, Civil Rights Movement etc. and Martin also has a lot of subtext. Romero was very good back then, not so much now.

Somers Town is out soon, hopefully Eurobum Meadows won't have become shot like Romero, Carpenter, Tarantino and John Landis have. I also think that Kevin Smith is past his prime.

Just so that this post has some relevance to boxing...I don't think that Cintron is a good comeback fight for Cotto. If Baldomir can make 147 then I'd like to see how he'd do against him, as it would test his boxing skills against someone with an excellent chin, which he'll be dealing with if he faces Clottey or a Margarito rematch.

I think Cintron-Berto would be a good fight.

[The Surgeon]

I really like Kessler and he IS Quality but Cotto clearly better, Kessler dont make many mistakes and is sound technically but lacks that spark u know, he's pretty basic and cant adapt mid fight, from what ive seen he dont get much done on the inside either

[abadger]

Yeah it's one of my favourites. I won't say too much about it because there are several ways that you can interpret the film and I wouldn't want to influence how you do so, but it'd be cool to discuss after you've seen it and see if we held similar views.

A lot of people look at Dawn Of The Dead as a social commentary on American consumerism, and Night Of The Living Dead as being about the change in 1960s America, Civil Rights Movement etc. and Martin also has a lot of subtext. Romero was very good back then, not so much now.

Somers Town is out soon, hopefully Eurobum Meadows won't have become shot like Romero, Carpenter, Tarantino and John Landis have. I also think that Kevin Smith is past his prime.

Just so that this post has some relevance to boxing...I don't think that Cintron is a good comeback fight for Cotto. If Baldomir can make 147 then I'd like to see how he'd do against him, as it would test his boxing skills against someone with an excellent chin, which he'll be dealing with if he faces Clottey or a Margarito rematch.

I think Cintron-Berto would be a good fight.

Night Of The Living Dead makes my film ATG list easily, I like the others too. The Crazies by him is pretty good as well.

I love Shane Meadows also, I think Room For Romeo Brass is his best, and I must say Dead Mans Shoes horrified me. All his are good though, have you seen 24/7, if not, its all about Bob Hoskins boxing gym and is therefore worth a look.

Smith has been badly shot for a long time, as has Tarantino, really.

Back to boxing...that's a really excellent point you make about Cotto's comeback. He's laid the beatdown on all the main guys he's likely to be able to do that to and has different challenges ahead in Clottey, Marg and Williams, and he should start preparing. I suppose they just want a win though.

[welshgeneral]

kessler used to fight bears before he fought humans , making his speed and agility a necessity in order to survive, for that reason alone i think hes a better boxer then cotto , however cotto does have a cool skinhead

[tyson]

I thought you hated Cotto?

I had this conversation with someone else actually, but yes Cotto boxed better than Margarito (who doesn't) but what I meant was that if he were in fact the awesome boxer some think then surely the extremely limited Margarito should never have been able to catch up with him enough to break him down? He didn't outbox him well enough to win.

On Kessler, I think he's far and away better than Cotto. He's faster, more mobile and really isn't very robotic at all, he also has better defence and is harder to hit. His biggest flaw is his orthodoxy and lack of plan B though for sure. I like Cotto as a destroyer, he has awesome hooks to the body and does throw good combinations, but I don't think he's that good really.

I did think he was the best WW and would beat Marg though, but still would rate Kessler above him. I really rate him very highly.

Where did you get that idea from? I hate Calzaghe's slapping, but that's about it

I picked Margarito to beat Cotto early last year, due to the styles involved. I always knew Cotto was better in every measurable way, but I also knew that Margarito would be too big, too strong and too crazy for Cotto.
Jake LaMotta was much the same as Marg; coming forward, throwing tons of punches until the opponent had nothing left.

Luckily, strength and toughness are top qualities in professional boxing and can be just as vital as skill and smarts.
Those are the reasons why anyone would struggle with Antonio, not just Cotto.

Kessler showed that he was totally unable to adapt and mix up his style when things started going south against Calzaghe. He looked like a schoolboy in the later rounds.
That alone is a huge factor that favors Cotto over Kessler.

Some will probably argue that Cotto didn't change much during the course of his last fight, but I can assure you that he did exactly what he had to do to win.
He just didn't have the endurance to pull it through.

Cotto has showed us different styles, Kessler has not.
Kessler has been totally outclassed, Cotto has not.
Cotto has a much more varied attack.

For me this is an easy conclusion;

Cotto> Kessler

[KostyaTszyu44]

I'm sure we will see a huge majority in favour of Cotto. It doesn't concern me and I have no problem holding a minority opinion.

As I asked you in the other thread, if Cotto is such a talanted boxer, how come he lost to one of the slowest and most predictable fighters in elite boxing today? If his talent is all that good, surely he should have been able to outbox him?

because styles make fights fool

cotto is a far superior boxer techinically than marg but marg just absorbed cottos shots and just doggedly wore him down and pounced

it was a triumph of determination over skill, but then again if cotto invested in a body attack he would have won

plus, kessler aint that good, typical upright boring european fighter decent all round but not outstanding at anything