James Toney is overrated

[Dambala]

A lot of people are judging Toney for what they're seeing now. Fat, old and morphing into a journeyman. Ok, Toney is a way better than the numbers suggests counting of a lot of times he's been robbed. You guys should see his two fights against Griffin ( he won both clearly ). He has a lot of bad decisions, really. He'd never duck anyone like Roy used to do in his prime playing the safety-fist game.

[Silencers]

Well, I can agree with that pretty much completely. Clearly Jones is the most skilled of all, and I think Hopkins and Toney edge out Benn and Collins skillswise. Eubank I'm not as sure about, I guess you could argue it either way.

Had they all fought each other we would have been looking at a tremendous era around those weights.

I actually think Toney is/was more technically sound than Jones, Jones was definitely more athletically gifted though and had those great reflexes.

Those were definitely missed opportunities for them to fight each other, would have been great.

[Blue Öyster]

I really don't consider James Toney to be an all-time great.Look at all those losses on his record. He was schooled by Roy Jones, much the same way that Lacy was schooled by Calzaghe.

He lost twice to Montell Griffin, who was easily dominated twice by Jones (although in the first fight Jones got DQ).

Yes, Toney moved up those weight divisions, but he was caught cheating with steroids twice. If he really is an all-time great, why did he need steroids? He's probably is a natural super-middleweight or light-heavyweight, but he's had to move up higher because he isn't smart enough to control his weight.

thats because you are fool!!!


go watch some more toney fights before you post your garbage here!
there is quite literaly a library's worth of toney footage to watch!!

ROY JONES HIMSELF SAID TONEY WAS WEIGHT DRAINED FOR THEIR FIGHT!!!
LISTEN TO THE COMMENATRY TO THE RUIZ TONEY FIGHT!!!!


your post is such garbage that i consider it spam

[MANGLER]

Toney is man. He's got his place in history.

[abadger]

I actually think Toney is/was more technically sound than Jones, Jones was definitely more athletically gifted though and had those great reflexes.

Those were definitely missed opportunities for them to fight each other, would have been great.

Indeed. I was just playing fantasy matchups in my head, and of the British three I think I'd give Nigel Benn the best chance against a prime Jones, less so against Toney and with Hopkins I really don't know, maybe slight edge to Hopkins as the better ring technician. For the same reason I'd say Collins chin and aggression would have made for a testing fight for Jones, but I'd say he loses to the others. Eubank was the best 'boxer' of the three but i must admit I struggle to see him beating any of them, though I'd have liked to see him in with Hopkins.

[Fenom]

James Toney
70 Wins - 6 Loses - 3 Draws - 43 KOs
4 Weight Division Champion (MW, SMW, CW, HW)
NEVER BEEN KNOCKED OUT OR EVEN ON ***** STREET

Hasim Rahman
Sam Peter
Dominick Guinn
John Ruiz
Evander Holyfield
Vassiliy Jirov
Mike McCallum
Montell Griffin
Roy Jones Jr
Iran Barkley
Reggie Johnson
Michael Nunn

sorry if i dont see it

[Silencers]

Indeed. I was just playing fantasy matchups in my head, and of the British three I think I'd give Nigel Benn the best chance against a prime Jones, less so against Toney and with Hopkins I really don't know, maybe slight edge to Hopkins as the better ring technician. For the same reason I'd say Collins chin and aggression would have made for a testing fight for Jones, but I'd say he loses to the others. Eubank was the best 'boxer' of the three but i must admit I struggle to see him beating any of them, though I'd have liked to see him in with Hopkins.

I'd put Benn in against Jones as well because his pressure and power could give Jones problems.

I actually have trouble seeing Collins beating any of the three, I think Jones would have been too fast, Hopkins and Toney are/were great counterpunchers who throw punches straight down the middle that would have given Collins a lot of problems.

Eubank vs Hopkins or Toney would have been good technical fights, won't be exciting or overly entertaining but would have been very interesting to watch from a boxing fans' standpoint.

[Leo Pradun]

James Toney
70 Wins - 6 Loses - 3 Draws - 43 KOs
4 Weight Division Champion (MW, SMW, CW, HW)
NEVER BEEN KNOCKED OUT OR EVEN ON ***** STREET

Hasim Rahman
Sam Peter
Dominick Guinn
John Ruiz
Evander Holyfield
Vassiliy Jirov
Mike McCallum
Montell Griffin
Roy Jones Jr
Iran Barkley
Reggie Johnson
Michael Nunn

sorry if i dont see it

jonn ruiz no decision steriods and rahman chaged to a no decision

[Fenom]

jonn ruiz no decision steriods and rahman chaged to a no decision

take away those 2 and take away dominic guinns ass and you still have great fighters on this mans resume.....most of which he beat.

lets not start to compare his resume with Floyds......and i dont see any threads talking about he's overrated........PLEASE DONT TURN THIS INTO A FLOYD THREAD.

im just saying.....this man has more than proven himself and against quality opposition who he BEAT

[Blue Öyster]

I wanted to discuss this with you actually. How do you feel Eubank, Benn and Collins match up with Hopkins, Toney and Jones. Do you feel they are on the same level.

Leaving aside Jones outstanding skill my take is that there is little really to separate these sets of boxers. In fact you could even argue that the British trio actually fought more top class opposition in their careers (each other, and throw in Watson) than did the US guys, who faced each other once at most. What do you think?

this quote tells me what your opinion is worth!!!

Who is Archie Moore?

bums like collins, eubank, benn, watson and hopkins would all get smashed to bits by james toney!!!

those cowards spent their careers dodging guys like nunn and toney!!!

i'm not even a michael nunn fan but nunn would have killed all those guys and they were so afraid of him it wasn't even funny!!!

the fact that you think eubank was "skilled" tells me what a fool you really are!!!

eubank was a no stamina bum, that couldn't take a body punch.
his record is like sven ottke's, lots of wins that should be losses!!!

james toney once started **** with eubank and benn at a press conference and they were both terrified of him!!!