James Toney is overrated

[SmarterChild]

If James Toney isn't an ATG then, man just go watch golf or something, boxing isnt for you

[Evil_Meat]

Griffin was hurt and already down when Jones threw the punch that got him DQ.

And look at how easily Jones destroyed Griffin in the second fight. Toney struggled with this guy?

Holy **** man, Jones was destroying everybody and Griffin gave him a lot of trouble in that first fight. IMO Toney won both fights against Griffin, and Griffin is a dude who gave Roy trouble and at that time he would give ANYBODY trouble.

[Xyei]

I don't agree. Also, Toney didn't get beat like Lacy in his fight against Jones. My opinion is biased on this subject since he is one of my favorite fighters.

[Silencers]

I wanted to discuss this with you actually. How do you feel Eubank, Benn and Collins match up with Hopkins, Toney and Jones. Do you feel they are on the same level.

Leaving aside Jones outstanding skill my take is that there is little really to separate these sets of boxers. In fact you could even argue that the British trio actually fought more top class opposition in their careers (each other, and throw in Watson) than did the US guys, who faced each other once at most. What do you think?

I think those 3 would have given the American 3 tough fights, they were at about the same level or maybe Toney, Hopkins and Jones were just a slight level above Collins, Benn and Eubank but there's no doubt that they would have given each other tough fights.

Skill wise, the British 3 were all very good, Benn got better as his career progressed, Collins was technically solid but sometimes threw wide punches, Eubank was the most complete boxer out of the three in my opinion, especially on defense.

I think skill wise, the American 3 are slightly better than the British 3.

Resume wise, they are definitely comparable, all of them (American and British) fought very good opposition throughout their careers, I think the weakest resume belongs to Collins on the British side, I know he beat Eubank and Benn twice but that was at the tail end of their careers and I know that Eubank moved up in weight to give Thompson hell but he still wasn't the same fighter anymore.

On the American side, I think the weakest resume probably belongs to Hopkins although that's debatable.

So overall, I think they definitely stack up well against each other, would have loved to see them fight back in the early 90's but sadly those fights never happened.

[joseph5620]

Toney is/was a very, very good fighter, I'm not sure if he's an ATG but he had great skills.

I thought he won both Griffin fights but the first one was close, the second I thought he won clearly.

And Jones wasn't dominating Griffin in their first fight, he was getting frustrated by Griffin.

The most sensible response yet. Tunney always has an agenda when it comes to black fighters anyway.

[Silencers]

Roy was clearly having trouble with Griffin in their first fight. He was just starting to solve him when he got DQ'd.

Yeah, he was having a lot of trouble with Griffin's awkward defense and got hit flush from Griffin quite a few times before knocking him down.

[Xyei]

The most sensible response yet. Tunney always has an agenda when it comes to black fighters anyway.

I don't think that's true. While I don't agree that Toney is over rated, it isn't a bat**** crazy statement. He gave his arguments.

I think Toney had great skill and could have been an ATG for sure, but he just didn't have the focus to stay in shape all the time. If he had the work ethic of Hopkins it would be another story.

Toney has been known to fight down to the level of his opposition and even was a lazy fighter at times...

[rizkybizness]

Geting a blow jay is overrated.

[abadger]

I think those 3 would have given the American 3 tough fights, they were at about the same level or maybe Toney, Hopkins and Jones were just a slight level above Collins, Benn and Eubank but there's no doubt that they would have given each other tough fights.

Skill wise, the British 3 were all very good, Benn got better as his career progressed, Collins was technically solid but sometimes threw wide punches, Eubank was the most complete boxer out of the three in my opinion, especially on defense.

I think skill wise, the American 3 are slightly better than the British 3.

Resume wise, they are definitely comparable, all of them (American and British) fought very good opposition throughout their careers, I think the weakest resume belongs to Collins on the British side, I know he beat Eubank and Benn twice but that was at the tail end of their careers and I know that Eubank moved up in weight to give Thompson hell but he still wasn't the same fighter anymore.

On the American side, I think the weakest resume probably belongs to Hopkins although that's debatable.

So overall, I think they definitely stack up well against each other, would have loved to see them fight back in the early 90's but sadly those fights never happened.

Well, I can agree with that pretty much completely. Clearly Jones is the most skilled of all, and I think Hopkins and Toney edge out Benn and Collins skillswise. Eubank I'm not as sure about, I guess you could argue it either way.

Had they all fought each other we would have been looking at a tremendous era around those weights.

[The Hammer]

The most sensible response yet. Tunney always has an agenda when it comes to black fighters anyway.

Then why have I never posted anything but praise for Roy Jones?

Answer: because Jones really is an amazingly talented, all-time great fighter.