how can Joe Calzaghe achieve P4P 1 status before retiring

[RightHandLead]

you are obviously just a hater im not interested in what u have to say ,Joe has never been stopped

A prime James Toney would easily end that. And a prime Hopkins, say from the Tito fight, would as well.

[Super welsh Joe]

Youre so ****ing delusional.

why?

a Prime Pacquiao now beats a Prime Morales, Pre Barrera.

Pacquiao's best wins so far came when he was just a young blood.

i dont see Pacquiao beating Morales pre Barrera even now, u need to curb your enthusiasm he outboxed David Diaz

[them_apples]

you are obviously just a hater im not interested in what u have to say ,Joe has never been stopped

he's not a hater, he's got his head on straight - unlike you.

Calzaghe's record is a hyped up joke he has never been stopped because his best win was against 43 year old Hopkins, and even then the KO potential was there.

Calzaghe's record is made up of european bums, it wasn't hard to craft an undefeated record. He's just like Hatton, only Hatton doesn't duck as much as Calzaghe, he actually had the balls to fight the best (Mayweather).

[Kris Silver]

how can Joe Calzaghe achieve P4P 1 status before retiring ? beat Jones by KO and beat Pavlik in a dominant display

Stop making so many ****ing alts.

[Super welsh Joe]

A prime James Toney would easily end that. And a prime Hopkins, say from the Tito fight, would as well.

Toney was no Gerald McClellan or Julian Jackson and Calzaghe has been hit by harder punchers than Toney in his career and stayed on his feet ,i dont see Hopkins making an impression either

[Super welsh Joe]

he's not a hater, he's got his head on straight - unlike you.

Calzaghe's record is a hyped up joke he has never been stopped because his best win was against 43 year old Hopkins, and even then the KO potential was there.

Calzaghe's record is made up of european bums, it wasn't hard to craft an undefeated record. He's just like Hatton, only Hatton doesn't duck as much as Calzaghe, he actually had the balls to fight the best (Mayweather).

you both think Calzaghe would get stopped by Toney and Hopkins in their prime i disagree very strongly ,i dont think im the one with my head on wrong

[abadger]

Very difficult while Pacquiao is around, who may still go on to beat Hatton at yet another weight class, and even if the laws of physics and biology are overturned for the day, De La Hoya still higher.

However, lets say he beats Jones easily and then goes on to beat Pavlik as well or better than he did Kessler. After that the only real fights for him are Dawson, Tarver and maybe Taylor. If he were to beat say two of these, definitely including Dawson then I think he might have a case irrespective of what Pacquiao does. He would be undefeated in a long career, having been the best in his division during his prime, and would have stuck around into old age to beat the next generation at his own weightclass and above. Almost literally no boxer would have done that in their career without suffering a loss, and I feel it would have to be recognised.

[them_apples]

you both think Calzaghe would get stopped by Toney and Hopkins in their prime i disagree very strongly ,i dont think im the one with my head on wrong

Calzaghe would never land on Toney, the only way he'd win is by robbery.
Hopkins would Probably knock out Calzaghe.

Gerald McClellan would probably kill Calzaghe, Calzaghe wouldn't hurt him and McClellan, one of the hardest middleweight punchers - would probably break Calzaghes ribs.

Even Taylor would beat him, I don't see how you think Calzaghe is so great, his one test he almost failed.

However, lets say he beats Jones easily and then goes on to beat Pavlik as well or better than he did Kessler. After that the only real fights for him are Dawson, Tarver and maybe Taylor. If he were to beat say two of these, definitely including Dawson then I think he might have a case irrespective of what Pacquiao does. He would be undefeated in a long career, having been the best in his division during his prime, and would have stuck around into old age to beat the next generation at his own weightclass and above. Almost literally no boxer would have done that in their career without suffering a loss, and I feel it would have to be recognised.

How was he the best in his division? a Prime Jones, Hopkins and Toney were all better than him. He won't fight Pavlik ether, he will duck him. Because if he fights him, he will lose.

[IMDAZED]

Very difficult while Pacquiao is around, who may still go on to beat Hatton at yet another weight class, and even if the laws of physics and biology are overturned for the day, De La Hoya still higher.

However, lets say he beats Jones easily and then goes on to beat Pavlik as well or better than he did Kessler. After that the only real fights for him are Dawson, Tarver and maybe Taylor. If he were to beat say two of these, definitely including Dawson then I think he might have a case irrespective of what Pacquiao does. He would be undefeated in a long career, having been the best in his division during his prime, and would have stuck around into old age to beat the next generation at his own weightclass and above. Almost literally no boxer would have done that in their career without suffering a loss, and I feel it would have to be recognised.

He'd have to convincingly beat the Tarver/Dawson winner & Glen Johnson perhaps. I'd hand him the top slot on a platter if he actually had the balls to do that.

[abadger]

he's not a hater, he's got his head on straight - unlike you.

Calzaghe's record is a hyped up joke he has never been stopped because his best win was against 43 year old Hopkins, and even then the KO potential was there.

Calzaghe's record is made up of european bums, it wasn't hard to craft an undefeated record. He's just like Hatton, only Hatton doesn't duck as much as Calzaghe, he actually had the balls to fight the best (Mayweather).

Oh dear. At least try to know what you are talking about before you post. Imagine a scenario where a european fighter you don't like is actually very good, accept it and move on.