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  • Diego Morales
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    #51
    I think Margarito deserves 5 b/c I had him at 11 going into that fight and had Miguel at 3, Margarito was basically waiting on the doorstep and got his chance and kicked the door down and moved up the ladder. I do have a problem with Cotto being off the list though, he lost to one of the best WW in the world and for that he is penalized? I took Cotto from 3 to 6 with the loss, I don't understand how BERNARD HOPKINS is even mentioned in any P4P list even a top 20?

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    • ferocity
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      #52
      How can you mention Williams without Quintanna? Wililams needs another good win or another win over Quintanna. Williams wants a payday, how do i know? He priced himself out of a Kelly Pavlik fight when no one knows him. You know the same story people had of Margarito, lmfao, now you haters have to deal with that ****.

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      • WESS
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        #53
        No Cotto?? I think Cotto should be above if not RIGHT below Marg.

        HOP???? He just barley lost to the so called "#2 P4P"........

        Speaking of #2 P4P, Joe Calzaghe. Can someone explain why hes at #2. I think he should be in the top 10 for sure. BUT 2??? He beat HOP and Lacy who were in the top 10 P4P list. But that wouldn't make him #2. I know he beat Kessler but he's not even ranked is he? Can someone help me out on this? Thanks

        Pav should be higher than 9.

        MY P4P List:
        1. Pac
        2. Vasquez
        3. Mijares
        4. Calderon
        5. Margarito
        6. Cotto (Cotto could be 5 and Marg could be 6)
        7. Calzaghe
        8. Pavlik
        9. Williams
        10. Hop

        Rafael Marquez, Juan Manuel Marquez, Shane Mosley, Chad Dawson, Arthur Abraham

        Anyone agree????? Disagree????

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        • TheGreatAli
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          #54
          1. Joe Calzaghe
          2. Manny Pacquiao
          3. Juan Manuel Marquez
          4. Israel Vasquez
          5. Antonio Margarito
          6. Rafael Marquez
          7. Miguel Cotto
          8. Ivan Calderon
          9. Kelly Pavlik
          10. Bernard Hopkins

          Ricky Hatton, Cristian Mijares, Paul Williams, Mikkel Kessler.
          Last edited by TheGreatAli; 07-30-2008, 09:43 AM.

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          • FLY TY
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            #55
            Originally posted by Diego Morales
            I think Margarito deserves 5 b/c I had him at 11 going into that fight and had Miguel at 3, Margarito was basically waiting on the doorstep and got his chance and kicked the door down and moved up the ladder. I do have a problem with Cotto being off the list though, he lost to one of the best WW in the world and for that he is penalized? I took Cotto from 3 to 6 with the loss, I don't understand how BERNARD HOPKINS is even mentioned in any P4P list even a top 20?
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            considering hopkins has yet to be "beaten," in fact you can make the case he has won his fights w/ taylor and the calzaghe fight as well.........

            i hear ya, but i don't have a problem with him being MENTIONED tho......

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            • FLY TY
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              #56
              Originally posted by WESS
              No Cotto?? I think Cotto should be above if not RIGHT below Marg.

              HOP???? He just barley lost to the so called "#2 P4P"........

              Speaking of #2 P4P, Joe Calzaghe. Can someone explain why hes at #2. I think he should be in the top 10 for sure. BUT 2??? He beat HOP and Lacy who were in the top 10 P4P list. But that wouldn't make him #2. I know he beat Kessler but he's not even ranked is he? Can someone help me out on this? Thanks

              Pav should be higher than 9.

              MY P4P List:
              1. Pac
              2. Vasquez
              3. Mijares
              4. Calderon
              5. Margarito
              6. Cotto (Cotto could be 5 and Marg could be 6)
              7. Calzaghe
              8. Pavlik
              9. Williams
              10. Hop

              Rafael Marquez, Juan Manuel Marquez, Shane Mosley, Chad Dawson, Arthur Abraham

              Anyone agree????? Disagree????
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              i agree for the most part, i just don't see how margarito's win over cotto vaults him all the way up to 5.................from not being on the list at all.

              to me, and i guess this must be where im wrong, but winning 1 big fight shouldn't automatically ascend you up a p4p ladder, maybe a diviosional ladder.......................

              margo has 5 losses, he beat cintron twice, who was never anywhere near a p4p list, lost to pw, but beat cotto who was ranked, and now he's a top 5 fighter in the world???

              **** makes no sense to me..............

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              • TheGreatAli
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                #57
                Originally posted by WESS
                No Cotto?? I think Cotto should be above if not RIGHT below Marg.

                HOP???? He just barley lost to the so called "#2 P4P"........

                Speaking of #2 P4P, Joe Calzaghe. Can someone explain why hes at #2. I think he should be in the top 10 for sure. BUT 2??? He beat HOP and Lacy who were in the top 10 P4P list. But that wouldn't make him #2. I know he beat Kessler but he's not even ranked is he? Can someone help me out on this? Thanks

                Pav should be higher than 9.

                MY P4P List:
                1. Pac
                2. Vasquez
                3. Mijares
                4. Calderon
                5. Margarito
                6. Cotto (Cotto could be 5 and Marg could be 6)
                7. Calzaghe
                8. Pavlik
                9. Williams
                10. Hop

                Rafael Marquez, Juan Manuel Marquez, Shane Mosley, Chad Dawson, Arthur Abraham

                Anyone agree????? Disagree????

                Ok then but what P4P fighters has Margarito, Cotto, Calderon and Mijares beat who were higher than P4p #3 (at the time) Hopkins? Calzaghe also has no losses and has been around for a long time gaining #1 in both SMW and LHW.

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                • FLY TY
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by ferocity
                  How can you mention Williams without Quintanna? Wililams needs another good win or another win over Quintanna. Williams wants a payday, how do i know? He priced himself out of a Kelly Pavlik fight when no one knows him. You know the same story people had of Margarito, lmfao, now you haters have to deal with that ****.
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                  well how can you mention margarito w/o paul williams???

                  c'mon, any1 w/ half a brain knows paul williams made a rookie mistake by looking past quintana for their first fight. he didn't spar any lefties leading up to that ****, so if that doesn't stink of overconfidence, i don't know what does.

                  he got beat. then ko'ed quintana in the first round in the rematch. third fight? GTFOH!!!

                  williams needs another good win? the margarito win wasn't enough to warrant a rematch with him???

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                  • WESS
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by JC#1

                    Ok then but what P4P fighters has Margarito, Cotto, Calderon and Mijares beat who were higher than P4p #3 (at the time) Hopkins? Calzaghe also has no losses and has been around for a long time gaining #1 in both SMW and LHW.
                    Sorry no offense but I was looking for an answer from someone that doesn't have Joe Calzaghe in there name. I have learned no matter what you say with these "type" of people, EVERYONE is wrong and they are right. Its sad and its old.

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                    • Scott9945
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                      #60
                      It's a lot better than the Ring Magazine list that has one of their owners (Hopkins) ridiculously rated at #4 despite being 2-3 over the last few years. Cotto got KO'd cleanly, he can earn his way back on the list.

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