Did Miguel Cotto Quit?

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  • DIOS DOMINICANO
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    #61
    Puerto Ricans are not built to take the pressure. Not like Mexicans are.

    Mexicans, Cubans, Dominicans , etc have it kind of hard, and that makes them tough. puerto ricans live off the sugar titty of the United States and that makes them soft. No offense.

    Just like Hector Camacho wilted under pressure and ran from JCC, Cotto buckled when Margarito turned up the heat.

    Puerto Ricans are much more inclined to quit than Mexicans. Mexicans are tougher. It just is.


    Pulling out tapes of Don Felix running in to save Tito, and Tio Evagelisto waving the towel.

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      #62
      He was gone

      he was gone there was no point in continuing his legs were jelly!, he would of just been pounded into submisiion had the fight gone onand he couldn't have reversed the scorecards so he was done for, if his corner threw in the towel he wud be in a fit of rage like when zab judah fought kotza tzu, cotto accepted defeat.

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      • DIOS DOMINICANO
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        #63
        Originally posted by woftam
        Taking a knee and then taking another without taking anymore hits is quitting. .
        Cotto was kneeling so much, I didn't know if i was watching a fight, or a mass at St. Patrick's.

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        • Del Coqui
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          #64
          Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
          Puerto Ricans are not built to take the pressure. Not like Mexicans are.

          Mexicans, Cubans, Dominicans , etc have it kind of hard, and that makes them tough. puerto ricans live off the sugar titty of the United States and that makes them soft. No offense.

          Just like Hector Camacho wilted under pressure and ran from JCC, Cotto buckled when Margarito turned up the heat.

          Puerto Ricans are much more inclined to quit than Mexicans. Mexicans are tougher. It just is.


          Pulling out tapes of Don Felix running in to save Tito, and Tio Evagelisto waving the towel.
          Papi no te ponga bruto por que mira que yo he visto a los tuyos caer patas arriba y a choretos! Aqui hay mas Dominicanos que en Santo Domingo, no te incluyas, sabes.

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            #65
            Originally posted by !! Shawn
            Yes, I am an active Amateur, thank you very much. I have also been defending Cotto. Please point out where I said there was anything wrong with what Cotto did.

            I know you are unfamiliar with the concept of impartial observation, but that is what I do.

            Cotto quit. I would have loved for Cotto to "pop his probe" to victory, but it didn't happen. He quit.

            Maybe it is you that should enlighten us as to why you think Cotto did not quit.
            You're an amateur? Cool, how old?

            OK, interesting shot at me. A bit of a stab in the dark, but hey you're entitled to your opinion. It seems you read a lot of me because you are referencing quotes of mine I don't remember. Thanks for the support.

            As I've said in this thread and others, the corner throwing in the towel removes the element of quitting because they are acting on his behalf. Maybe you'd have been more satisfied by a life-altering knockout that would have proved little and done even less good for Cotto moving forward. Or perhaps a theatrical expression, like Corrales did against Mayweather or Vitali against Lewis saying one more round.

            In the end, those animated responses do little to change the outcome, which is ultimately the knockout loss.

            Cotto was clearly feeling the pressure and he didn't like it. He took the first knee to get away from the pressure but he was already bloody and swollen by that time, the game was already over. Cotto went down under his own volition a second time and that time the corner said OK enough, this is getting out of hand and stopped it.

            Did Cotto protest? No. Still doesn't change anything because whats done is done, protesting won't change anything. What you are saying is that he had somehow communicated to his corner that he didn't want anymore, and maybe he didn't. Who would have? He went as long as he could until he couldn't and his corner stopped the fight.

            I'm sure you won't ever be a part of anything like that in your amateur career, so don't judge others when you've never been through the fire. Especially ones that are reaches.

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            • LOLORSKATES
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              #66
              Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
              Puerto Ricans are not built to take the pressure. Not like Mexicans are.

              Mexicans, Cubans, Dominicans , etc have it kind of hard, and that makes them tough. puerto ricans live off the sugar titty of the United States and that makes them soft. No offense.

              Just like Hector Camacho wilted under pressure and ran from JCC, Cotto buckled when Margarito turned up the heat.

              Puerto Ricans are much more inclined to quit than Mexicans. Mexicans are tougher. It just is.


              Pulling out tapes of Don Felix running in to save Tito, and Tio Evagelisto waving the towel.
              Dominicans aren't built for pressure, look at Jerson Ravelo, Giovanni Lorenzo, a real quitter in Jeffrey Resto and others. All wilted under pressure. If you live in a glass house don't throw stones.

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                #67
                Originally posted by JournalSquare

                As I've said in this thread and others, the corner throwing in the towel removes the element of quitting because they are acting on his behalf.
                Just because they were acting on his behalf doesn't Miguel didn't take two voluntary knees.

                If they don't throw in the towel, Bayless was stopping the fight anyway.

                The key here is Miguel taking a knee in the exact manner that Judah did, without taking a punch. Thats basically giving up, quitting, not wanting to fight anymore. He can't blamed though, as he was the one taking the shots and able to assess his condition much better than anyone of us. Even though he quit, he still proved that he is a warrior. He gave it his all, but Margaritos all was just better.

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                • DIOS DOMINICANO
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Erbad
                  Dominicans aren't built for pressure, look at Jerson Ravelo, Giovanni Lorenzo, a real quitter in Jeffrey Resto and others. All wilted under pressure. If you live in a glass house don't throw stones.
                  Or Joan Guzman, or.....

                  I saw Ravelo get beat by Ward. Not quit. In fact, the commentators were saying how much heart he had. did you even see the fight? He kept getting up. Not running across the ring to take a knee.

                  And keep in mind, mijo, RD doesn't have a great legacy of boxing. Kids try to hit their way off the island. Not punch.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by JournalSquare
                    You're an amateur? Cool, how old?

                    OK, interesting shot at me. A bit of a stab in the dark, but hey you're entitled to your opinion. It seems you read a lot of me because you are referencing quotes of mine I don't remember. Thanks for the support.

                    As I've said in this thread and others, the corner throwing in the towel removes the element of quitting because they are acting on his behalf. Maybe you'd have been more satisfied by a life-altering knockout that would have proved little and done even less good for Cotto moving forward. Or perhaps a theatrical expression, like Corrales did against Mayweather or Vitali against Lewis saying one more round.

                    In the end, those animated responses do little to change the outcome, which is ultimately the knockout loss.

                    Cotto was clearly feeling the pressure and he didn't like it. He took the first knee to get away from the pressure but he was already bloody and swollen by that time, the game was already over. Cotto went down under his own volition a second time and that time the corner said OK enough, this is getting out of hand and stopped it.

                    Did Cotto protest? No. Still doesn't change anything because whats done is done, protesting won't change anything. What you are saying is that he had somehow communicated to his corner that he didn't want anymore, and maybe he didn't. Who would have? He went as long as he could until he couldn't and his corner stopped the fight.

                    I'm sure you won't ever be a part of anything like that in your amateur career, so don't judge others when you've never been through the fire. Especially ones that are reaches.
                    You once again fail. You keep inferring that I have some sort of grudge against Cotto. I don't. I think what he did was the right thing. He did not need more punishment.

                    But that does not change the fact that what he did was quit.

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                    • LOLORSKATES
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
                      Or Joan Guzman, or.....

                      I saw Ravelo get beat by Ward. Not quit. In fact, the commentators were saying how much heart he had. did you even see the fight? He kept getting up. Not running across the ring to take a knee.

                      And keep in mind, mijo, RD doesn't have a great legacy of boxing. Kids try to hit their way off the island. Not punch.
                      Guzman doesn't like pressure either. You can see that he takes little breaks during fights. If he gets in a rough fight with these bigger guys hes gonna wilt.

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