bernard hopkins vs joe calzaghe prime vs prime

[Dirk Diggler UK]

if he felt he was being undervalued then i dont see anything wrong with trying get more money,

If he felt he was being undervalued, he wouldnt have agreed to the fight.

Backing out 24 hours later and doubling the asking price is how I would define ducking.

[TheManchine]

True, but Calzaghe didn't have that kind of money back then. He was a relative unknown and couldn't afford to give away 4 millions dollar when he hadn't had his first Million Dollar contract until Lacy.

yes

but i dont see how asking for more money can be considered ducking someone

[Clegg]

lol in many eyes Joe was the one that didn't want to come to America and face REAL fighters. BUT it goes BOTH ways. Its safe to assume that JONES, HOP and Calzaghe all looked the other way when it came time to face each other. You cant JUST point the finger at the Americans and say HEY they ducked Joe. If that Joe wanted to really fight he would have came over and made some noise. ALL fighters stayed at there perspective homes and didn't choose to face each other until recent...

Yeah I agree. I don't think they ducked each other.

It's like when Hopkins and Jones were talking about a rematch. They couldn't agree on terms, and so it didn't happen, but it's not like one of them ducked the other one. The same thing happens all the time but people try to make it seem like ducking.

Not saying that ducking doesn't happen, but it doesn't happen as much as people try to say.

[TheManchine]

If he felt he was being undervalued, he wouldnt have agreed to the fight.

Backing out 24 hours later and doubling the asking price is how I would define ducking.

maybe he thought it over and felt he wasnt getting a good deal,

people can change their minds you know

[Gatti9783]

If he felt he was being undervalued, he wouldnt have agreed to the fight.

Backing out 24 hours later and doubling the asking price is how I would define ducking.

Whatever Bernard did, he made the better career choice because his legacy is 10x better than that of Calzaghe's.

Anyway, let's let the poll results do the talking.

[slicksouthpaw16]

You obviously haven't seen much of Hopkins when he was young because he has most certainly been hurt and very closed to knocked out. Go watch more of him. You'll find it eventually.

You make some goods points but i have to disagree here. Hopkins was hurt in the Mercado fight and there was no question about that, however he was no where near about to be stopped. He actually showed good composure when he was hurt especially for an inexperienced fighter that he was at the time. He got back up, fought on the outside and tied up when he had to. He is much more smarter now and doesn't get hit nearly as often as that.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Whatever Bernard did, he made the better career choice because his legacy is 10x better than that of Calzaghe's.

Anyway, let's let the poll results do the talking.

The poll wouldnt be neccesary if Bernard hadnt got cold feet.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

maybe he thought it over and felt he wasnt getting a good deal,

people can change their minds you know

Yeha he thought "why take the risk when I can fight Carl Daniels and Morrade Hakkar"?

I never said he wasnt smart.

[ИATAS]

who the hell was joe calzaghe in 2002? no one paid any attention until 2006.

Plus, hopkins had his own goals (be the first to unify the middleweight division since hagler, break the title defense record, etc.) so in order for him to leave middlweight and fight at 168 it better be worth it.

[WESS]

Yeah I agree. I don't think they ducked each other.

It's like when Hopkins and Jones were talking about a rematch. They couldn't agree on terms, and so it didn't happen, but it's not like one of them ducked the other one. The same thing happens all the time but people try to make it seem like ducking.

Not saying that ducking doesn't happen, but it doesn't happen as much as people try to say.

True, I think what happens sometimes is one fighter will want more money because they feel they are the one risking more etc. Like what HOP and Jones did. They both felt that one of them should have got more than the other. Its not ducking, its called business and being a good businessman. I don't know about Calzaghe but I know Jones and Hop are not only fighters but businessmen, sometimes (smart) hard headed businessmen. But it all comes down to money, like everything else.