Roy Jones Jr: "Calzaghe Fight, Two Titles on November 8"

[Silencers]

Roy is in no way shape or form like hopkins.. roy is faster, stronger, has more stamina, and throws combinations... bernard threw one punch and clinched all night long. this isnt roy.


Dont forget the part where joe has never experienced hands that are as fast and as accurate as roys... ever.


WHATEVER Shots he eats? now your believing your own bull****.. believe it or not joe isnt superhuman... punches CAN stop him... ricky hatton wasnt stopped in 43 fights.. there was no reason to think he would be stopped against floyd... and then he got punched in the face, from an unorthodox punch, that was fast, and he didnt see it... and that was the end.

Agreed.

And theres your problem, you think Hopkins is better than Roy.. and thats where your wrong... Bernard threw one punch at a time, and looked completely gassed by the 7-8th rounds... Roys hands are faster, more powerful, he DOES STILL throw combination, he doesnt throw one punch and clinch... and his stamina IS better than the 43 yr old bernard...

I disagree with this part, Hopkins has fought at a much higher level of opposition these last couple of years, Jones hasn't faced very good opposition, I think the Trinidad and Hanshaw fights are misleading.

Of course, vegas odds speaking... joe should definitely have the edge in this fight.. hes 3 years younger, hasnt been KOed, and is undefeated... but when you put into light that he will once again be fighting the best fighter hes ever faced... even this 39 yr old roy... logic does allow the possibility for a roy victory.

Agreed.

[Addition]

Well, the delay should make it easier for Calzaghe to make 168.

[Kris Silver]

But Calzaghe could stand to make more money because he's the co-promoter of the fight so this new spin could lure more fans into buying the fight.

Like I was getting at, that could fool Calzaghe into going for it. Really he stands much less to gain than Roy, why should he risk more for both guys getting a few more bucks, ridiculous.

Plus I don't think it'd be loads more and recieve some criticism, it's a gimmick imo. It underlines just how much fighters are able to manipulate theyre weight these days from a previous nights weigh in. Weighing them again the next day and saying oh your both weights no is just making a mockery of the sport and it's weight divisions imo. What next, maybe Roy will suggest they have a 2nd fight at CW, then weigh in at HW the next day, so he's beaten another HW.

Ridiculous, he's desperate to get manipulate and get the quickest short cut to p4p and stardom possible, and such gimmicks just don't work on me. Imagine if loads of fights started to become 2 weight fights on one fight, totally lost track of why there's the need for weight divisions then.

[Silencers]

Like I was getting at, that could fool Calzaghe into going for it. Really he stands much less to gain than Roy, why should he risk more for both guys getting a few more bucks, ridiculous.

Plus I don't think it'd be loads more and recieve some criticism, it's a gimmick imo. It underlines just how much fighters are able to manipulate theyre weight these days from a previous nights weigh in. Weighing them again the next day and saying oh your both weights no is just making a mockery of the sport and it's weight divisions imo. What next, maybe Roy will suggest they have a 2nd fight at CW, then weigh in at HW the next day, so he's beaten another HW.

Ridiculous, he's desperate to get manipulate and get the quickest short cut to p4p and stardom possible, and such gimmicks just don't work on me. Imagine if loads of fights started to become 2 weight fights on one fight, totally lost track of why there's the need for weight divisions then.

I agree, it's pretty ridiculous but it does have a certain interest to it because it's a shot at history, as I said earlier in this thread, nobody has moved up from middleweight to heavyweight winning titles along the way and then moving back down to win a title at super middleweight, not just win a title but beat the number 1 guy there.

And Calzaghe has said he's fighting for the money now more than anything so he could agree to it.

[THE REED]

I disagree with this part, Hopkins has fought at a much higher level of opposition these last couple of years, Jones hasn't faced very good opposition, I think the Trinidad and Hanshaw fights are misleading.

But even with the Tarver losses... Roy still threw combinations.. ive never seen roy, not yet.. throw one punch and clinch... throw one punch and clinch... even when tired, ive never seen his hands slow down... bernard started winging those rights near the end, you could see them coming...

Although I understand its much easier to look good against a lesser opponent, and much easier to look worse fighting a better opponent... and that is completely true... to me comparing roys capabilties and bernards.. it just looked like bernards body was no longer capable of delivering any more fluent combinations, its much easier to figure out someone who throws the same punch all night long, by round 5 you know the deal.. and joe caught on to it... I dont think your gonna see a repeated offense from roy, ive never seen it from him, and i have no reason to believe otherwise..

If it was bernard fighting tito, would bernard throw 5, 6, 7punch combos? would he throw 3-4 right hands consecutively, would he throw double and triple left hooks?

in all honesty, i dont think he would... he would definitely BEAT trinidad... but he wouldnt have that type of offensive arsenal, even if he were the one in the ring against trinidad instead of roy

[Kris Silver]

I agree, it's pretty ridiculous but it does have a certain interest to it because it's a shot at history, as I said earlier in this thread, nobody has moved up from middleweight to heavyweight winning titles along the way and then moving back down to win a title at super middleweight, not just win a title but beat the number 1 guy there.

And Calzaghe has said he's fighting for the money now more than anything so he could agree to it.

Well, the fighting at two weight division thing just to get more belts out of the other guy, is a gimmick and could be done in many fights. So I'm dead against that not only in terms of defending one boxer being taken advantage of risk wise, but also protecting the sport and it's even now, less than desirable reputation as a well sanctioned sport.

As for just fighting at SMW, well that's obviously less bad and is upto Joe. But it's not what they've agreed. They're both at LHW, fought there last, and were going to fight at LHW. Both would struggle to make SMW, and Roy's being greedy, he's the underdog and should be pleased at the opportunity to be able to win the Ring LHW belt and beat the p4p #2 guy. He has to not only add to that by saying how about SMW where's there's more belts, but the cheek to try and get both at the same time. Sorry, it just makes me credit Roy as a boxer much less I'm afraid. As I said, a gimmick and manipulation of the boxing weight divisions and rules.

[moofo]

Roy fans remind me of the Tyson fans .....always living a fantasy that Mike would come back and rule when he was done and dusted.
There are still some cretins out there who think he can come back with "8 months training..."
No offence to Mike I loved him in the 80's...he was great for the sport.
Him and Hagler got me interested.
Roy however was a pioneer for the bull**** we have where fighters pick and choose their opponents and fight for trinkets then claim to be champs without facing the best at that weight.
The truth is though ...like Mike....when he was blasting guys like Savaresi and no marks....he wasn't facing anyone of any quality.
Just building up for the paydays.
Like Roy has been ...once a year against no marks then fights a guy out of retirement who was spent himself and happy to get a big bonus for his retirement fund.
Funny thing is the Roy fans can't ever point out what they have seen from Roy in his fights with crapola opposition to see that he has anything left.
They talk about Roy's speed , power and athleticism.
Yet he couldn't even finish a retired blown up welter...

And when I ask people what has Roy done in the last 3 years???
Rather than answer with hard facts I get labelled a hater.

Unfortunately for these clowns I just talk sense.

And when Roy is beaten badly ...I wonder if they will still fantasise that Roy has anything left in the tank.

[Silencers]

But even with the Tarver losses... Roy still threw combinations.. ive never seen roy, not yet.. throw one punch and clinch... throw one punch and clinch... even when tired, ive never seen his hands slow down... bernard started winging those rights near the end, you could see them coming...

Although I understand its much easier to look good against a lesser opponent, and much easier to look worse fighting a better opponent... and that is completely true... to me comparing roys capabilties and bernards.. it just looked like bernards body was no longer capable of delivering any more fluent combinations, its much easier to figure out someone who throws the same punch all night long, by round 5 you know the deal.. and joe caught on to it... I dont think your gonna see a repeated offense from roy, ive never seen it from him, and i have no reason to believe otherwise..

If it was bernard fighting tito, would bernard throw 5, 6, 7punch combos? would he throw 3-4 right hands consecutively, would he throw double and triple left hooks?

in all honesty, i dont think he would... he would definitely BEAT trinidad... but he wouldnt have that type of offensive arsenal, even if he were the one in the ring against trinidad instead of roy

Jones does throw more combinations but more often than not it's 1-2 or 1-2-3 then cover up not to say he can't throw 5 or 6 shot combinations but he can only do it in spurts.

I agree that Hopkins' offensive arsenal is limited now but he has more left physically (legs, ability to take a punch etc.), the only thing that has really diminished with Hopkins is his stamina, I can't say the same for Jones because we haven't seen him in with very good opposition, so judging from level of opposition, Jones is not better than Hopkins right now.

Offensively, he could be better than Hopkins, always has been really but as an overall fighter, I can't say Jones is better.

[WESS]

Well, the fighting at two weight division thing just to get more belts out of the other guy, is a gimmick and could be done in many fights. So I'm dead against that not only in terms of defending one boxer being taken advantage of risk wise, but also protecting the sport and it's even now, less than desirable reputation as a well sanctioned sport.

As for just fighting at SMW, well that's obviously less bad and is upto Joe. But it's not what they've agreed. They're both at LHW, fought there last, and were going to fight at LHW. Both would struggle to make SMW, and Roy's being greedy, he's the underdog and should be pleased at the opportunity to be able to win the Ring LHW belt and beat the p4p #2 guy. He has to not only add to that by saying how about SMW where's there's more belts, but the cheek to try and get both at the same time. Sorry, it just makes me credit Roy as a boxer much less I'm afraid. As I said, a gimmick and manipulation of the boxing weight divisions and rules.

So what would you say if this was the other way around?

I bet it would go something like:

Joe is so smart for doing it, he deserves all the belts if he wins. I would respect him even more if he pulled that off. Joe is the best!!!

[THE REED]

Jones does throw more combinations but more often than not it's 1-2 or 1-2-3 then cover up not to say he can't throw 5 or 6 shot combinations but he can only do it in spurts.

I agree that Hopkins' offensive arsenal is limited now but he has more left physically (legs, ability to take a punch etc.), the only thing that has really diminished with Hopkins is his stamina, I can't say the same for Jones because we haven't seen him in with very good opposition, so judging from level of opposition, Jones is not better than Hopkins right now.

Offensively, he could be better than Hopkins, always has been really but as an overall fighter, I can't say Jones is better.

but how important is stamina for a fighter? you could be driving a ferrari, no gas in the tank, your not going anywhere...

maybe you couldnt say roy is better than bernard based on opposition, but i dont think you could say bernard is better than roy either...