Better Legacy Hopkins or Calzaghe lets settle it for good

[IMDAZED]

What does put you on the outskirts of the top ten? Lay out the criteria, in full if you don't mind, that qualifies a fighter for P4P status.

How about beating some good fighters, for starters? God forbid you actually beat a REAL good one. How many has Kessler beat???

[Mozza]

who are you trying to kid, He didn't dominate Hopkins, hell he could have lost.

Yeah he could have lost if we had three ******s judging. Mercifully two of the judges at least seemed to have bothered to watch the fight and in the end justice was done. If it wasn't for Hopkins' cynical time-wasting I believe Calzaghe would have forced a stoppage.

[Mozza]

How about beating some good fighters, for starters? God forbid you actually beat a REAL good one. How many has Kessler beat???

I will answer your question but I want you to answer mine first so if you don't mind please explain to me, in full, the criteria used to judge whether a fighter is in the P4P list or not.

[IMDAZED]

Yeah he could have lost if we had three ******s judging. Mercifully two of the judges at least seemed to have bothered to watch the fight and in the end justice was done. If it wasn't for Hopkins' cynical time-wasting I believe Calzaghe would have forced a stoppage.

So? It wasn't domination. No one thinks that, not even ENZO.

And I'm still waiting for all these excellent fighters Kessler beat.

[poeticlsykuac]

Yeah he could have lost if we had three ******s judging. Mercifully two of the judges at least seemed to have bothered to watch the fight and in the end justice was done. If it wasn't for Hopkins' cynical time-wasting I believe Calzaghe would have forced a stoppage.

Cal forced a stoppage? Wow I'll have 2 of whatever your having. Cal was the only one on the ground in the fight in a less then exciting no one deserves to win fight.

[Mozza]

So? It wasn't domination. No one thinks that, not even ENZO.

And I'm still waiting for all these excellent fighters Kessler beat.

I've told you, I will answer your question once you've answered mine. If you have no intention of answering it just say so and we can move on.

[Mozza]

Cal forced a stoppage? Wow I'll have 2 of whatever your having. Cal was the only one on the ground in the fight in a less then exciting no one deserves to win fight.

Didn't they teach you how to read at school? Read it again: If it wasn't for Hopkins' cynical time-wasting I believe Calzaghe would have forced a stoppage. I've even gone to the trouble of highlighting the key term for you.

And for the record, Hopkins was on the floor as well complaining about a phantom punch.

[IMDAZED]

I will answer your question but I want you to answer mine first so if you don't mind please explain to me, in full, the criteria used to judge whether a fighter is in the P4P list or not.

Quality of Opposition
Accomplishments
Consistency
Skills

So...how are we looking with kessler?

[T-97]

Neither had stellar careers.... 80% of the people on Hopkins's ledger are nobodies but fans on here make out they're better cos he's "from da state's" and 80% of people on Joe's record weren't great but they're a LOT better than the average NSB member makes out.

I went for Joe to shade it, largely because one has the W (however close and at whatever age) over the other.

Eubank, (prime) Reid, Lacy, Kessler, Woodall, Mitchell, (old) Hopkins... Joe's career wasn't THAT bad.

Calzaghe had a good career. However, I picked Hopkins but close. I feel Hopkins win over Trinidad is a solid win (even if Tito was coming from 154), The De La Hoya win is not impressive (Oscar lost to Sturm) and Hopkins fought Taylor, Tarver, Wright and Calzaghe after the age of 40! and went 2-3 with all losses highly disputed. During his reign as middleweight champ he fought ok guys, no one stellar though. Although the TKO over Glen Johnson is impressive.

[Mozza]

Quality of Opposition
Accomplishments
Consistency
Skills

So...how are we looking with kessler?

Not exactly a comprehensive list but I suppose it will suffice. Each of the areas you have mentioned, with the possible exception of quality of opposition, are subjective which means they are open to interpretation.

Kessler was the WBA champion for three years prior to his loss against Calzaghe and held the WBC title for just over a year. He has now regained the former of those two belts. Kessler has defeated credible opponents along the way, names like Mundine and Beyer may not mean a lot to you because they are from outside the US but they were both at least top 5 in the division and Kessler beat them both comfortably. His only defeat came in a highly competitive fight to the man universally regarded as the number two P4P fighter on the planet and even that was in said figter's hometown and while Kessler was nursing an injured hand.

Frankly I don't think his consistency can be questioned, the guy has lost somewhere in the region of 15 rounds in a 216 round career. His KO ratio is good and his skills are and at 29 his best days are still ahead of him.

Kessler's skill levels are quite simply not up for debate. Any fair minded individual will tell you that Kessler is a top class operator and could easily be on the P4P list.