Better Legacy Hopkins or Calzaghe lets settle it for good

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Not exactly a comprehensive list but I suppose it will suffice. Each of the areas you have mentioned, with the possible exception of quality of opposition, are subjective which means they are open to interpretation.

Whatever.

Kessler was the WBA champion for three years prior to his loss against Calzaghe and held the WBC title for just over a year. He has now regained the former of those two belts.

Who did he beat for these titles?

Kessler has defeated credible opponents along the way, names like Mundine and Beyer may not mean a lot to you because they are from outside the US but they were both at least top 5 in the division and Kessler beat them both comfortably.

Nice try. These names are very familiar to me because I'm a BOXING fan, first and foremost. Mundine and Beyer are decent at best. Beyer was FINISHED actually but hey, why let facts get in the way of a good argument?

His only defeat came in a highly competitive fight to the man universally regarded as the number two P4P fighter on the planet and even that was in said figter's hometown and while Kessler was nursing an injured hand.

Yep.

Frankly I don't think his consistency can be questioned, the guy has lost somewhere in the region of 15 rounds in a 216 round career. His KO ratio is good and his skills are and at 29 his best days are still ahead of him.

Sure it can. Who did he beat again? Mundine and Beyer? Don't make me laugh.

Kessler's skill levels are quite simply not up for debate. Any fair minded individual will tell you that Kessler is a top class operator and could easily be on the P4P list.

His skills are good but only a person desperately trying to defend Calzaghe's resume would suggest Kessler is pound for pound. LMAO. By beating Markus Beyer. Man, I've heard it all.

[Mozza]

Sure it can. Who did he beat again? Mundine and Beyer? Don't make me laugh.

Okay let's look at this another way. Not including Jermaine Taylor, who has Pavlik beat of note?

[Mozza]

His skills are good but only a person desperately trying to defend Calzaghe's resume would suggest Kessler is pound for pound. LMAO. By beating Markus Beyer. Man, I've heard it all.

For the record, The Ring magazine and other boxing sources have said the same thing completely independently so you're talking mince.

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Okay let's look at this another way. Not including Jermaine Taylor, who has Pavlik beat of note?

LMAO. Why aren't we including Jermain Taylor? Who he wrested the UNDISPUTED crown from? How dumb is that? Now we pretend?

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For the record, The Ring magazine and other boxing sources have said the same thing completely independently so you're talking mince.

LOL - you asked for my p4p criteria, not the Ring. But thanks for the info - true or not.

[Mozza]

LMAO. Why aren't we including Jermain Taylor? Who he wrested the UNDISPUTED crown from? How dumb is that? Now we pretend?

Because I want to prove a point. Are you going to dodge this question as well or will I get an answer?

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Because I want to prove a point. Are you going to dodge this question as well or will I get an answer?

You want to prove a point? How about proving one in the real world, where Kelly Pavlik beat Jermain Taylor...twice?

If you want to prove that point in your imaginary world, do it with imaginary people.

[IMDAZED]

LOL @ you asking me to "pretend" Pavlik didn't beat Taylor so you can "prove a point."

This site gets nuttier by the day.

[Mozza]

You want to prove a point? How about proving one in the real world, where Kelly Pavlik beat Jermain Taylor...twice?

If you want to prove that point in your imaginary world, do it with imaginary people.

Okay let's look at it in the real world then. Kessler has had one big fight, Pavlik two against the same opponent.

Pavlik won the first in a fight which could have been stopped when he went down in the second and he was losing on the cards when he came roaring back with a spectacular knockout. The rematch went the distance and was closely contested with Pavlik emerging the deserved victor.

Kessler's big fight came against Joe Calzaghe, a better fighter than Taylor, in Wales and the Dane suffered a unanimous points defeat in a highly competitive match and one which was arguably Joe's best performance.

Outside of the aforementioned fights both men have fought a mixed bag of opponents, Miranda is the best of the rest on Pavlik's while Mundine takes that crown on Kessler's The point is that neither have glittering resumes, mainly due to their age, but that does not detract from their skills or abilities.

[MWMerlino]

LOL @ you asking me to "pretend" Pavlik didn't beat Taylor so you can "prove a point."

This site gets nuttier by the day.

Whatever dude, stop dodging the question...

Just pretend that Pavlik never won the title and lost to Jermain Taylor...NOW WHO HAS THE BETTER RESUME!!

GOTCHA!