Kostya Tszyu vs Floyd Mayweather at 140

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  • wmute
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    #51
    Originally posted by the_godslayer
    The cautiousness is what stops as many people calling Floyd the ATG that his skills and accomplishments probabbly deserve, that said I still feel that Tszyu beats him, there is one punch that Tszyu threw very very often that is not really talked about, Hatton knew it and even tried to beat Kostya to it a few times. It was the left hook on the instruction to break from the referee, it was devastating and unless you were aware it was coming it not only scored points it would/could rock a fighter to his boots, coming as it did just at the split second that the ref called break.
    Obviously Floyd is a clever fighter and would have seen it after being hit by it a couple of times, but a couple of times may have been all that was needed.
    seeing as how many left hooks Hatton and De La Hoya combined landed on Mayweather...

    As you pointed out. This is not a hook that comes while boxing, so it's a whole separate issue from the right hand. Zoo would have a chance to land it if he managed to turn Floyd while in the clinch, to prevent him from keeing his slanted stance.

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      #52
      I would put my money on PBF. Too smart, too many changes of rhythm, too many angles for Zoo to set up the big one. The straight right is a punch you barely see landing on PBF, through his entire career.

      Before PBF-Hatton I gave much more of a chance to Zoo to frustrate him and make it dirty and ugly to take FLoyd off his gameplan. After seeing how deep is PBF's bag of dirty tricks, I would not count on that.

      People like to dig out Judah to make the comparison. Judah cant fight on the inside, Judah looks good while boxing on the outside and land his lefthanded bombs, but Mayweather does a lot more and never underestimates his opponent. He would not get ****y with Zoo and would take home a clear UD.

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        #53
        Two words: Vince Phillips.

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          #54
          Originally posted by IMDAZED
          Two words: Vince Phillips.
          and of course floyd fights exactly like him right?

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            #55
            Originally posted by IMDAZED
            Two words: Vince Phillips.
            I mean... is that a good reason to pick Mayweather to beat Zoo?

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              #56
              Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
              and of course floyd fights exactly like him right?

              Ricky Hatton doesn't fight like him either but he admitted to using the blueprint.

              I'm just pointing out that some fights are very telling. When Hops-Calzaghe was first announced, I kept explaining it would be a close fight for two reasons: SAKIO BIKA. Sometimes a fighter reveals something in certain fights. And Tszyu was badly exposed in that one for having loads of power but the inability to adjust to someone who swarmed him. The key to beating him is on the inside.

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                #57
                Originally posted by wmute
                I mean... is that a good reason to pick Mayweather to beat Zoo?
                See the post above.

                To elaborate, Mayweather is one of the best inside fighters of the game. And that's where he'd take the fight. He wouldn't box him AT ALL.

                I remember when Floyd held his first presser for the Gatti fight in NY. That was the day he first brought up someone being a C-class fighter, A class, etc. Actually, he graded A LOT of fighters that day. It was hilarious.

                Anyway, someone called out Kostya Tszyu. Floyd's eyes lit up. "A Class Fighter!" he shouted. "I respect Tszyu a whole lot but he can't beat me. Matter of fact, that's the only fight I'd fly overseas to make!"

                When pressed, Floyd broke down the Phillips fight. And anyone who watched that fight knows Tszyu's vulnerabilities.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by IMDAZED
                  Ricky Hatton doesn't fight like him either but he admitted to using the blueprint.

                  I'm just pointing out that some fights are very telling. When Hops-Calzaghe was first announced, I kept explaining it would be a close fight for two reasons: SAKIO BIKA. Sometimes a fighter reveals something in certain fights. And Tszyu was badly exposed in that one for having loads of power but the inability to adjust to someone who swarmed him. The key to beating him is on the inside.
                  But do you see Mayweather being on the inside and fighting with a high workrate? Note I picked Mayweather to win, but I don't think he would do it that way...

                  EDIT: applies to the reply to my post too.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by IMDAZED
                    Ricky Hatton doesn't fight like him either but he admitted to using the blueprint.

                    I'm just pointing out that some fights are very telling. When Hops-Calzaghe was first announced, I kept explaining it would be a close fight for two reasons: SAKIO BIKA. Sometimes a fighter reveals something in certain fights. And Tszyu was badly exposed in that one for having loads of power but the inability to adjust to someone who swarmed him. The key to beating him is on the inside.
                    it is one of the keys to beating kt. he needs space for his power to be effective.

                    now ricky is a pressure type fighter as well so he can try to use phillips' blue print.

                    the thing is would mayweather do that? he'd try to keep things close at times but he wouldn't swarm kostya. at least i don't think he would.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by wmute
                      But do you see Mayweather being on the inside and fighting with a high workrate? Note I picked Mayweather to win, but I don't think he would do it that way...

                      EDIT: applies to the reply to my post too.
                      Why would he need a high workrate? Phillips' defense wasn't great, that's why he kept throwing. Neither was Hatton's. But Floyd would block, smother and make him miss. And make him pay. And work the body. Then put hima way. Hey, that rhymed!

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