is calzage an all time great if he beats rjj and retires undefeated???

[Kris Silver]

This is spiralling off into different topic area's then this threads intended for, so new threads might be more appropriate.

Calzaghe is broadly accepted as SMW and LHW #1 and a very fast fighter. I ask again;

If Jones is so shot, why in a poll of speed, footwork, tactics, defence and power (I think those were all the opions) did most vote 3-1 Jones as overall better?

[Cletus Funk]

Why don't you tell me what you think makes you linear.

Based on your logic. Did I not type that last time?

DM had the opportunity, as did Roy.

Yes. Nady took away practically every tool at Ruiz's disposal.

You can buy into Toney's weight struggles or not. I couldn't care less.

Not going to try and justify Hopkins as an ATG then? Good.

First of all...being widely accepted as champ (even though Del Valle was robbed against him the year before and Tommy Hearns interrupted his reign by kicking his ass) doesn't make you LINEAR. Got it?

Second, Dariusz had a chance to be the MAN in the division. I've already discussed what he decided to do.

Finally, you made a summation? Based on what? You're wrong and I've already discussed this too!

Roy's win at HW looks good on paper? LOL, like 21 defenses against fighters ranging from good to horrible? Ok.

Toney had issues? Were you his psychologist?

Ah well..at least you're backtracking on the "Dariusz was lineal champ" garbage you spewed initially.

[Johnny Rebel]

No actually I just think fighting Bernard Hopkins is harder than fighting John Ruiz.

If he applied himself, Im pretty sure Calzaghe could win a title at heavyweight in a one off fight too.

No Doubt!

Hopkins was also the Lineal and Ring Champion at LHW. Hopkins was also rated #4 P4P by Ring magazine when Calzaghe fought and defeated him.

When Jones fought Ruiz, he was only a belt holder who was considered one of the worst HW's to ever hold a belt.

Joe Calzaghe is an All-Time grate and will be remembered as such by most objective people and boxing experts. There is nothing and nobody JC could beat to ever get the racists, trolls, haters, alts and idiots on the message boards to admit this thought, but they know it to be true!

[IMDAZED]

Why don't you tell me what you think makes you linear.

Based on your logic. Did I not type that last time?

DM had the opportunity, as did Roy.

Yes. Nady took away practically every tool at Ruiz's disposal.

You can buy into Toney's weight struggles or not. I couldn't care less.

Not going to try and justify Hopkins as an ATG then? Good.

Wow, look at how far we've gone!

Now I should justify Hopkins' resume?

Whatever, man. You first responded to me by saying Dariusz was lineal champ. You've since adjusted that to Hill being widely accepted as the champ in the division (debateable in itself, actually).

I think we're done here.

[Cletus Funk]

Wow, look at how far we've gone!

Now I should justify Hopkins' resume?

Whatever, man. You first responded to me by saying Dariusz was lineal champ. You've since adjusted that to Hill being widely accepted as the champ in the division (debateable in itself, actually).

I think we're done here.

Nice dodge. Peace out.

[IMDAZED]

Nice dodge. Peace out.

Yeah...kinda like saying Dariusz was lineal champ and then finding everything else to talk about but proving that true. Hard to prove true what's false, eh?

Peace out indeed.

[Johnny Rebel]

Calzaghe is the greatest and more accomplished at super middleweight, but Jones was the best.

This debate will be settled in the ring in two months.

[IMDAZED]

This debate will be settled in the ring in two months.

Only someone who rates Ricky Hatton p4p #3 actually believes the upcoming fight somehow settles this debate.

[Addition]

LOL @ whoever said Calzaghe could win a title a Heavyweight

[bsrizpac]

This debate will be settled in the ring in two months.

P4P #3 baby!

Yeah only a tool would think someone is racist for not thinking Joe beating Jones' corpse proves anything.

Oh, and the word is "great" not "grate" you ******.