is calzage an all time great if he beats rjj and retires undefeated???

[Drunk Punch]

LOL im British. Calzaghe aint an ATG. Roy is.
I dont see any way calzaghe CAn become an ATG now, you cant compare him to RJJ,SRL,SRR,FMJ and Ali. his undefeated record is overrated.

Unfortunately, some of us Americans know PLENTY about Calzaghe. Before and after the overrated win over the overrated Lacy. What do you say to them?

I'd say read my post again and highlight the word 'most' before the word 'American'.

If you don't rate Calzaghe and you've seen all his fights and you are aware of his outstanding amateur record, then that's you prerogative. I'm not here to convince or otherwise.

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Virgill Hill fought for vacant titles??

All that spiel and you couldn't even get your opening "fact" right........

So then he beat Spinks, right? The last linear titleist? or did Michael GIVE HIM the belts? Here's a better question...how did the linear title get passed around after Spinks?

And I love how you avoided the rest of what I wrote .

[IMDAZED]

I'd say read my post again and highlight the word 'most' before the word 'American'.

If you don't rate Calzaghe and you've seen all his fights and you are aware of his outstanding amateur record, then that's you prerogative. I'm not here to convince or otherwise.

Good. Even on a site that features more European posters than any I've seen in recent memory, this poll speaks for itself.

[Cletus Funk]

So then he beat Spinks, right? The last linear titleist? or did Michale GIVE HIM the belts? Here's a better question...how did the linear title get passed around after Spinks?

And I love how you avoided the rest .

Spinks vacated when he left the division. It's a different scenario.

The rest isn't news to me. The whole Dariusz thing is not too disimilar Ottke, yet apparently he's Calzaghe's measuring stick. Can you see your hypocrisy?

[Drunk Punch]

Good. Even on a site that features more European posters than any I've seen in recent memory, this poll speaks for itself.

Just for the record I'm not a European poster. The poll shows a divided opinion doesn't it?

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Just for the record I'm not a European poster. The poll shows a divided opinion doesn't it?

It shows more than double of the people who voted do not feel he is an ATG.
Well, maybe of Europe as you intimated.

Anyway, I agree that Calzaghe is a first-ballot HOF'er and a modern day great. ATG? Hell nah.

[IMDAZED]

Spinks vacated when he left the division. It's a different scenario.

The rest isn't news to me. The whole Dariusz thing is not too disimilar Ottke, yet apparently he's Calzaghe's measuring stick. Can you see your hypocrisy?

You still haven't shown how Dariusz became the linear champ by beating Hill. He didn't. And you'd have to prove Hill was the linear titleist. And Leslie Stewart before him. And Marvin Johnson, etc. etc. It doesn't add up and is simply some BS people have made up to validate the fact that Dariusz held the WBO crown when it meant nothing.

Finally, where did I say Jones dominated LHW? He didn't fight the second best fighter in his division either. And for that, he loses points as well.

Lucky for Roy, he also won titles in three other divisions, beat two fellow all-timers and 18 other past or present world champs - most of whom were guys he either beat for the title or claimed titles after he vacated them.

[FUC_U_PAYME]

Joe is good, but no where near ATG sorry mates

[Cletus Funk]

Virgill Hill was the widely accepted champ due to the length of his reign and unification of the titles. Dariusz beat him and became the recognised champ. Because he vacated 2 titles for whatever reason doesn't strip him of this title.

Where did I say you said RJJ dominated LHW. I made a summation using your logic.

Roy's win at HW looks good, on paper.

Toney had issues.

I presume you mean Hopkins as the other ATG. Based on what, exactly?

You still haven't shown how Dariusz became the linear champ by beating Hill. He didn't. And you'd have to prove Hill was the linear titleist. And Leslie Stewart before him. And Marvin Johnson, etc. etc. It doesn't add up and is simply some BS people have made up to validate the fact that Dariusz held the WBO crown when it meant nothing.

Finally, where did I say Jones dominated LHW? He didn't fight the second best fighter in his division either. And for that, he loses points as well.

Lucky for Roy, he also won titles in three other divisions, beat two fellow all-timers and 18 other past or present world champs - most of whom were guys he either beat for the title or claimed titles after he vacated them.

[IMDAZED]

Virgill Hill was the widely accepted champ due to the length of his reign and unification of the titles. Dariusz beat him and became the recognised champ. Because he vacated 2 titles for whatever reason doesn't strip him of this title.

Where did I say you said RJJ dominated LHW. I made a summation using your logic.

Roy's win at HW looks good, on paper.

Toney had issues.

I presume you mean Hopkins as the other ATG. Based on what, exactly?

First of all...being widely accepted as champ (even though Del Valle was robbed against him the year before and Tommy Hearns interrupted his reign by kicking his ass) doesn't make you LINEAR. Got it?

Second, Dariusz had a chance to be the MAN in the division. I've already discussed what he decided to do.

Finally, you made a summation? Based on what? You're wrong and I've already discussed this too!

Roy's win at HW looks good on paper? LOL, like 21 defenses against fighters ranging from good to horrible? Ok.

Toney had issues? Were you his psychologist?

Ah well..at least you're backtracking on the "Dariusz was lineal champ" garbage you spewed initially.