Better Resume: Floyd Jr. vs Calzaghe

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I dont think its clear cut...........I also dont think its a fair comparison. Mayweather clearly has advantages over Joe in terms of marketability and ability to secure big fights. No one really cares about white welsh fighters - sad but true. And Joe's inability to secure a big fight for years whilst fighting in a mediocre division has held him down.

Mayweather's best wins for me -Genaro Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, Corrales, Castillo 2.

Calzaghe's - Eubank, Lacy, Kessler, Hopkins

They both have a lot of **** in between, but Mayweather's **** smells better cos of the name value i.e Hatton at 147, Shot Gatti, Demoralised Judah, Past it Oscar.

While it may be true that Welsh fighters were held down, it's not Mayweather's fault - in other words, it's not his fault he fought better fighters and he shouldn't be penalized just because the other guy "couldn't."

The victory over Corrales trumps any other. Corrales was undefeated like a Lacy or Kessler but in his prime, unlike a Hopkins or Eubank. Furthermore, he was actually ranked higher than Floyd by the Ring Magazine (among others) at the time. And Floyd knocked him down five times before stopping him.

I think even a win like the one against Angel Manfredy - who was coming off an excellent performance in upsetting a prime Gatti - spoke volumes. He stopped him in two.

The fighters you listed for Calzaghe work against you. How was beating Eubank any different from beating Oscar De La Hoya? And that's not even one of Floyd's best wins. Lacy, unfortunately, has yet to beat a solid opponent, let alone an elite one. Kessler could prove to be on Corrales' level but has not yet done so. Hopkins may be the best name on that list and if being 43 isn't enough, perhaps getting beat by the "overhyped" Kelly Pavlik will awaken those who pretend he's still in his prime. Heck, even Calzaghe's already making excuses for him.

No, it's not close and if we were to dig into the rest of their resumes (the other 30-something opponents they fought), the answer would be even clearer.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

While it may be true that Welsh fighters were held down, it's not Mayweather's fault - in other words, it's not his fault he fought better fighters and he shouldn't be penalized just because the other guy "couldn't."

The victory over Corrales trumps any other. Corrales was undefeated like a Lacy or Kessler but in his prime, unlike a Hopkins or Eubank. Furthermore, he was actually ranked higher than Floyd by the Ring Magazine (among others) at the time. And Floyd knocked him down five times before stopping him.

I think even a win like the one against Angel Manfredy - who was coming off an excellent performance in upsetting a prime Gatti - spoke volumes. He stopped him in two.

The fighters you listed for Calzaghe work against you. How was beating Eubank any different from beating Oscar De La Hoya? And that's not even one of Floyd's best wins. Lacy, unfortunately, has yet to beat a solid opponent, let alone an elite one. Kessler could prove to be on Corrales' level but has not yet done so. Hopkins may be the best name on that list and if being 43 isn't enough, perhaps getting beat by the "overhyped" Kelly Pavlik will awaken those who pretend he's still in his prime. Heck, even Calzaghe's already making excuses for him.

No, it's not close and if we were to dig into the rest of their resumes (the other 30-something opponents they fought), the answer would be even clearer.

Well not neccesarily Welsh fighters but non-Americans.......its not Mayweathers fault but then again its not Joes. Joe was willing to fight anybody but they werent willing to take the risk for the low reward. Hence why i said it was a poor comparison.

Well I was actually listing their best wins and I think Mayweathers are overall better.

I think Eubank is different from Oscar as it was Joes first big fight (his 22nd i believe) and his performance was much better than a more experienced Floyd put in against Oscar. I would compare it to Floyd beating Genaro Hernandez who was also an excellent but aging Champ at 130.

Corrales was an excellent win but he could be prone to similar criticism you bring to Kessler. Had he fought anyone elite? Manfredy and Derek Gainer were good but elite?

[SkillspayBills]

Talk about a landslide victory.

[ACHlLLES]

They both have extremely hand-picked resumes

[Bea5T]

wow....i am extremely surprised at the poll results

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Well not neccesarily Welsh fighters but non-Americans.......its not Mayweathers fault but then again its not Joes. Joe was willing to fight anybody but they werent willing to take the risk for the low reward. Hence why i said it was a poor comparison.

Well I was actually listing their best wins and I think Mayweathers are overall better.

I think Eubank is different from Oscar as it was Joes first big fight (his 22nd i believe) and his performance was much better than a more experienced Floyd put in against Oscar. I would compare it to Floyd beating Genaro Hernandez who was also an excellent but aging Champ at 130.

Corrales was an excellent win but he could be prone to similar criticism you bring to Kessler. Had he fought anyone elite? Manfredy and Derek Gainer were good but elite?

Yes...it's not Joe's fault. It's no one's fault - hence we need not bring it up.

Good comparison with Eubank to Hernandez.

Kessler was never ranked as highly as Corrales and has yet ot beat an elite fighter. Corrales proved his worth when, after spending a year in jail, he beat the likes of Acelino Freitas, Jose Louis Castillo and Joel Casamayor. And while he split two with the latter two, those wins are far more impressive than anything on Kessler's resume.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Yes...it's not Joe's fault. It's no one's fault - hence we need not bring it up.

Good comparison with Eubank to Hernandez.

Kessler was never ranked as highly as Corrales and has yet ot beat an elite fighter. Corrales proved his worth when, after spending a year in jail, he beat the likes of Acelino Freitas, Jose Louis Castillo and Joel Casamayor. And while he split two with the latter two, those wins are far more impressive than anything on Kessler's resume.

Its the fault of those who avoided him.......

Corrales hadnt beat an elite fighter prior to Mayweather and I would suggest he was so highly ranked because of his popularity and KO ratio. He went on to prove he was a great fighter which I believe Kessler will too.

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Its the fault of those who avoided him.......

Whether it was his fault, their fault or fate's fault, the fights did not happen. Move on.

Corrales hadnt beat an elite fighter prior to Mayweather and I would suggest he was so highly ranked because of his popularity and KO ratio.

Two things: Corrales was NOT a popular fighter at all at that point. In fact, Mayweather was more popular and, back then, he couldn't draw flies to ****. I hate to say it but you show that you weren't following boxing back then. Who exactly should he have fought that he didn't? His high ranking was well-deserved at the time.

He went on to prove he was a great fighter which I believe Kessler will too.

Until Kessler proves that, Corrales is leagues ahead. Period.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Whether it was his fault, their fault or fate's fault, the fights did not happen. Move on.


Two things: Corrales was NOT a popular fighter at all at that point. In fact, Mayweather was more popular and, back then, he couldn't draw flies to ****. I hate to say it but you show that you weren't following boxing back then. Who exactly should he have fought that he didn't? His high ranking was well-deserved at the time.



Until Kessler proves that, Corrales is leagues ahead. Period.

Well.......i shouldve known it was a waste of time trying to have a sensible debate with you.

Hopkins flat out ducked Calzaghe. Move on.

I hate to say it but you have no idea what you're talking about. Fighters dont have to sell PPVs to be popular - look at Pavlik, what has he drawn? But Id say he was popular. I was also looking at it from a comparison to Kessler who is a European fighter that most people wont have seen much of hence less popular than Corrales. at you waiting to jump on any little thing I say to tell me I didnt watch boxing. I hate to say it but you clearly show you're not the sharpest knife.

If we're looking at it from a perspective from when Calzaghe and Mayweather each fought them, theres no one who is "leagues ahead". Both were undefeated young champions. You ask who Corrales was supposed to face? Who was Kessler supposed to face? He'd won two titles and got beat when he stepped up.........just like Corrales did. Neither had "elite" wins. Period.

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Well.......i shouldve known it was a waste of time trying to have a sensible debate with you.

Hopkins flat out ducked Calzaghe. Move on.

I hate to say it but you have no idea what you're talking about. Fighters dont have to sell PPVs to be popular - look at Pavlik, what has he drawn? But Id say he was popular. I was also looking at it from a comparison to Kessler who is a European fighter that most people wont have seen much of hence less popular than Corrales. at you waiting to jump on any little thing I say to tell me I didnt watch boxing. I hate to say it but you clearly show you're not the sharpest knife.

If we're looking at it from a perspective from when Calzaghe and Mayweather each fought them, theres no one who is "leagues ahead". Both were undefeated young champions. You ask who Corrales was supposed to face? Who was Kessler supposed to face? He'd won two titles and got beat when he stepped up.........just like Corrales did. Neither had "elite" wins. Period.

You do not know boxing.