Abraham knocks out Miranda in 4 means Pavlik is overrated.

[The Surgeon]

I dont agree that ur better because u win faster but i do agree Pavlik is a bit overated, he is good really good but not the fighter some would have u believe

[abadger]

More of it is from beating Taylor twice. Who else has Abraham beat exactly?

That wasn't how it was last week. Anyway the point about Pavlik is that at this stage his entire P4P reputation now rests on the fact that he beat Taylor twice, but these are wins over just one opponent. Now it might be that that reputaion is deserved, but what if it was just one of those situations where Pavlik just happens to have Taylor's number, but is not neccessarily capable of beating everyone else. What if Taylor simply isn't that good?

For a good example of how wins over a single opponent can be misleading, we don't have to look any further than Taylor himself, and his two wins over Bernard Hopkins. Weren't they supposed to make him 'great'?

It might very well be that Kelly Pavlik is the best MW in the world, but my opinion is that he still hasn't proved it. I think elevating him even in to the P4P top 10 at this stage is probably premature.

[Pugilistic™]

Pavlik wears you out with accumulation where abraham can take you out with one shot.

[Moon]

But isn't a lot of Pavlik's reputation based on beating Miranda too?

Partly, yes.

Look at how Pavlik beat Miranda. It was a six round shut-out going into that 7th Round KO. Remember, Miranda had shown some good durability in fights leading up to Pavlik. Most fans thought Kelly would need to show some disciplined boxing to beat Miranda, but chose to stand right in front of Miranda and give us a slug fest.

That's the kind of fight that builds reputation. You know, when you're ready to play an opponents game and you beat his soundly doing it.

[boxaholic]

But isn't a lot of Pavlik's reputation based on beating Miranda too?

Exactly my point. I am not saying Arthur Abraham should be in the top 10
P4P because of his KO of Miranda in 4, but now he has a better chance of proving it. Pavlik has a chance to prove his worth against better opposition Like Wright, B hop, Abraham, Calzaghe. Stop fighting boxers that are not at your level.

[Boofdatruth]

Sorry guys but its true. Abraham KO's Miranda in 4. Pavlik KO's Miranda in 7.
Pavlik KO's and gets a Unanimous Decision against Taylor isn't that impressive because Taylor looked horrible against Cory (garbage) Spinks and Kassim Ouma who has no power. Pavlik beats a no movement Lockett. I like his Ko style but his recent wins doesn't mean he is in the top 7 P4P like everybody thinks. I would love to see him prove it though against Winky, Abraham, Calzaghe, and maybe even old and wrinkled Bhop.

Pav and Abraham are the goods. You are doing a disservice to both when you use this math. But it is your opinion. This system of mathematics of who beat who in earlier rounds by ko does not prove a thing whether a fighter is overrated. You'd have a better argument of saying he has more power, and even then that can't be proven.

[boxaholic]

[QUOTE=boof*******;3665205]Pav and Abraham are the goods. You are doing a disservice to both when you use this math. But it is your opinion. This system of mathematics of who beat who in earlier rounds by ko does not prove a thing whether a fighter is overrated. You'd have a better argument of saying he has more power, and even then that can't be proven.[/QUOTE

Miranda getting Ko'd in 4 is only helping my argument. I agree Pav and Abraham are the goods but I just don't see Pavlik as what everybody else makes him out to be "great". He is a good solid fighter that has proved himself to be real good. Great and in the top 5 P4P he has to beat more better opposition like Wright, Calzaghe, B hop, Abraham. Pavlik is an entertaining boxing because of his style and style make fights.

[Boofdatruth]

[QUOTE=boxaholic;3665227]

Pav and Abraham are the goods. You are doing a disservice to both when you use this math. But it is your opinion. This system of mathematics of who beat who in earlier rounds by ko does not prove a thing whether a fighter is overrated. You'd have a better argument of saying he has more power, and even then that can't be proven.[/QUOTE

Miranda getting Ko'd in 4 is only helping my argument. I agree Pav and Abraham are the goods but I just don't see Pavlik as what everybody else makes him out to be "great". He is a good solid fighter that has proved himself to be real good. Great and in the top 5 P4P he has to beat more better opposition like Wright, Calzaghe, B hop, Abraham. Pavlik is an entertaining boxing because of his style and style make fights.

Im with you. He should not be ranked that high pfp based off of one win. But he can fight. It is going to take a fighter like AA to take him out. I got AA to beat Pav. It will be a big win for who ever wins.

[Johnny Rebel]

That wasn't how it was last week. Anyway the point about Pavlik is that at this stage his entire P4P reputation now rests on the fact that he beat Taylor twice, but these are wins over just one opponent. Now it might be that that reputaion is deserved, but what if it was just one of those situations where Pavlik just happens to have Taylor's number, but is not neccessarily capable of beating everyone else. What if Taylor simply isn't that good?

For a good example of how wins over a single opponent can be misleading, we don't have to look any further than Taylor himself, and his two wins over Bernard Hopkins. Weren't they supposed to make him 'great'?

It might very well be that Kelly Pavlik is the best MW in the world, but my opinion is that he still hasn't proved it. I think elevating him even in to the P4P top 10 at this stage is probably premature.

Pavlik was also nearly KO by Taylor in the first fight and the second Taylor fight was really close. I had Pavlik winning it but many thought that Taylor deserved the decision.

Pavlik and Abraham need to fight to unify the MW division. It's a 50/50 fight that is IMO nearly impossible to confidently pick a winner. All I know is it should be a war and I hope it's made soon.

[MikeBrew328]

Pavlik will DESTROY Arthur Abraham, mark my words. He isn't active enough and relies on his opponent to make mistakes. Just because Abraham KO'ed Miranda doesn't mean anything. It's the same thing as De la Hoya stopping Mayorga, Miranda is an opponent that makes you look good. Miranda was very weak that night his shots weren't even moving Abraham's gloves...