Abraham knocks out Miranda in 4 means Pavlik is overrated.

[Sweet Pea 50]

Cotto, obviously.

C'mon, Brook, that **** was too easy...

[VanesBoxing]

This **** always makes me mad. SO AND SO knocked out SO AND SO quicker he's better than SO AND SO. It's all bull**** because in the end styles make fights and they both ****ed up Miranda good. Abraham hasn't foughten anyone worth mentioning in the same breath as Taylor so don't discredit a win against the LEGIT middleweight champ who fought hopkins and Wright to a standstill. This is the kinda logic that pisses me off.

10 replies and no one agrees with him bro...

there will always be some bad apples here and there, so be it.


boxaholic is part time alcoholic looks like.

[Winkyftw!]

I would say that Abraham could very well be a better fighter though. His style is a nightmare for Pavlik. Pavlik is one of my guys, but I see this as a damn hard fight to win for him.

[Njord777]

There's also the theory that any knockout can impair your neurological health forever and Pavlik imposed some career altering damage when he knocked Miranda out. Just an alternate explaination besides the obvious, "styles make fights..." which is 100% accurate.

[boxaholic]

This **** always makes me mad. SO AND SO knocked out SO AND SO quicker he's better than SO AND SO. It's all bull**** because in the end styles make fights and they both ****ed up Miranda good. Abraham hasn't foughten anyone worth mentioning in the same breath as Taylor so don't discredit a win against the LEGIT middleweight champ who fought hopkins and Wright to a standstill. This is the kinda logic that pisses me off.

Taylor was a LEGit Middleweight champ. I agree on that. Pavlik is a fighter I like but I said he is Overrated because most people have him in the top 7 P4P and after seeing Miranda get KO'd in 4 by Abraham I don't think Kelly Pavlik is as high up on the board as other fans think. Some have him in the top 3 behind Pacman and Joe. That is why he is Overrated to me. He is top 10 P4P in my opinion #9.

[Winkyftw!]

Taylor was a LEGit Middleweight champ. I agree on that. Pavlik is a fighter I like but I said he is Overrated because most people have him in the top 7 P4P and after seeing Miranda get KO'd in 4 by Abraham I don't think Kelly Pavlik is as high up on the board as other fans think. Some have him in the top 3 behind Pacman and Joe. That is why he is Overrated to me. He is top 10 P4P in my opinion #9.

What does a fight that he didn't have anything to do with make him seem overrated? Please explain that. Becasue it seems to me that you are saying because Abraham beat him quicker, Pavlik should be diminished. That **** makes no sense. They both knocked him out. Period. End of story. Miranda was not in eithers class. How you make that wild leap of logic i have no clue.

[deanrw]

Taylor was a LEGit Middleweight champ. I agree on that. Pavlik is a fighter I like but I said he is Overrated because most people have him in the top 7 P4P and after seeing Miranda get KO'd in 4 by Abraham I don't think Kelly Pavlik is as high up on the board as other fans think. Some have him in the top 3 behind Pacman and Joe. That is why he is Overrated to me. He is top 10 P4P in my opinion #9.

Against Pavlik, Miranda was on the defensive the whole fight as he was getting overwhelmed. Against Abraham, he was on the offensive, was not thinking defensive and got nailed.

Two completely different scenarios.

[boxaholic]

10 replies and no one agrees with him bro...

there will always be some bad apples here and there, so be it.


boxaholic is part time alcoholic looks like.

I don't mind boxing fans that disagree with me, thats what makes boxing my favorite sport. My logic is that Pavlik is as high as 3 on some of these polls as P4P and rated in the top 7 on most everybody elses ranking for P4P. I rank him #9. Pavlik is very entertaining to watch but Miranda looked strong yet his defense isn't that good. Abraham KO'd him in 4.Styles make fights is boxing 101. Where do you have Pavlik in your P4P rankings "BRO"

[Jim Jeffries]

Howard Eastman going the full 12 rounds with Abraham and then being stopped by Miranda 8 months later proves that Abraham's power is overrated. See how silly that is?

[abadger]

This fight in itself doesn't mean that Pavlik is overrated, but it does strengthen the argument of those who believe he is.

First and foremost the main thing that is supposed to mark Pavlik as out as an incredible force is his power, and the evidence we have of Pavliks power are his KOs of Miranda and Taylor. Abraham just KOd Miranda in even more devastating fashion so suddenly Kelly's power doesn't look quite as amazing and unmatched as it did before.

A second, I think very good reason for thinking that Pavlik might be a bit overrated is the fact that another great part of his game, complimenting his power is supposed to be his incredible stamina and workrate which he uses to break his opponent down to the point that they get KOd or decisioned. Again this is based on his Taylor and Miranda fights. What seldom gets mentioned is that both Miranda and Taylor are notorious for gassing down the stretch. This being so is it not possible that their relative collapses against Pavlik might very well have less to do with him devastatingly breaking them down than the fact they themselves just find it hard to fight effectively for twelve rounds? I think so.

None of this proves anything of course, but if you want a reasonably compelling argument for saying Pavlik might be overrated, that I think is it.