joe has only real beaten 2 big american names. and he really didnt beat bernard who was 43 and is stylistically tought to fight, bought bernard didnt lose, and up until a couple fights ago, fought middleweight his whole career, bottom line, winky wright, who can fight out of junior middle, definatley gave hopkins a better fight than joe in my opinion, and lacy was never even close to good, and we really dont know if kessler is any good yet. pavlik beat taylor twice , though the 2nd fight could have went either way, he did win. and i would guarantee jermain would kick joes ass. joe talks like he is too much for kelly and that he shouldnt make the jump in weight, why wouldnt he joe isnt a true light heavy, he has only beat bhop and hops only beat tarver. glen johnson would beat both of them. anyways bottom line, pavlik would knock out joe. just like bhop would have in the first round of their fight.... if he was agrressive at all and not 100% defense. well thats all i got and to all you euro fans that think joe is the man....... you guys dont know anything about fighting.... and hatton is sucks so much ...
Hopkins 40 plus
Lacy one dimensional bum
Kessler very good contender ( wouldn't beat Pavlik,Dawson,Taylor,Tarver,Johnson,or RJJ)
Not one of those guys you mention has top notch skill except Hopkins and everyone knows he's past his prime. It's really not Joe's fault entirely because there just isn't many talented fighters at 168 until recently. He can change that now though as there is an influx of talent coming his way.
Hopkins 40 plus
Lacy one dimensional bum
Kessler very good contender ( wouldn't beat Pavlik,Dawson,Taylor,Tarver,Johnson,or RJJ)
Not one of those guys you mention has top notch skill except Hopkins and everyone knows he's past his prime. It's really not Joe's fault entirely because there just isn't many talented fighters at 168 until recently. He can change that now though as there is an influx of talent coming his way.
Pavlik has the same hype Lacy had, its the same thing over again, hes had 2 defenses at world level. If Calzaghe beat him it would be like Lacy once more just a overrated fighter. Dawson almost lost to Johnson who I don't rate at all, Johnson was beaten by Woods of all people. Tarver is most likely the best on that list at the moment and hes awful, he sends people to sleep. Roy Jones isn't the same fighter he was no where near. Taylor well.....
You UK guys kill me! Yeah right. I won't even debate it with you. Thanks for you comments though....
Why would i debate someone who called Kessler a contender? hes a double world champion and easily the 2nd best at SMW, there isn't one person who comes close.
Why would i debate someone who called Kessler a contender? hes a double world champion and easily the 2nd best at SMW, there isn't one person who comes close.
Tell me that you honestly believe Jones has a better shot against Cal than Pavlik. Tell me that.... The rest of this is speculative nonsense contrived on imaginary fights.
Tell me that you honestly believe Jones has a better shot against Cal than Pavlik. Tell me that.... The rest of this is speculative nonsense contrived on imaginary fights.
Roy does have a better chance, mainly because styles make fights. Calzaghe would make a predictable Pavlik look silly. Calzaghe doesnt have the power to hurt Roy nowadays so he would have to outbox him which is no mean feat no matter how over the hill Jones is.
Pavlik has the same hype Lacy had, its the same thing over again, hes had 2 defenses at world level. If Calzaghe beat him it would be like Lacy once more just a overrated fighter. Dawson almost lost to Johnson who I don't rate at all, Johnson was beaten by Woods of all people. Tarver is most likely the best on that list at the moment and hes awful, he sends people to sleep. Roy Jones isn't the same fighter he was no where near. Taylor well.....
You don't rate Johnson? Why? Because he never ran from a fight and fought all the great fighters of his generation all over the world and as a result lost some fights? Is that the reason? If so, I think you're exactly what's wrong with boxing.
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